Bamber guilty, surely!

[campion]

 Now Susan has finished her aerobics or the aerobics have finished Susan, Shelia was right handed from what I could make out, unless of course someone knows different.

[ajross]

Hi Campion

Do you mean this one? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4513;image

On the top right hand corner of the illegible note there appear to be a couple of numbers visible that would seem to be a '98'

[ajross]

On the top right hand corner of the illegible note there appear to be a couple of numbers visible that would seem to be a '98'

but then they could also be random sguiggles!

[G]

Personally regarding the so called note. We can put whatever interpretation we like on it. It is all too subjective for my liking.

[ajross]

Very true, there did appear to be another hand written note in the bible that is next to sheila's body in the crime scene photos although again I guess this could've been anything

[Patti]

Very true, there did appear to be another hand written note in the bible that is next to sheila's body in the crime scene photos although again I guess this could've been anything

Ajross...I think every piece of evidence should be scrutinised and no matter what it;s importance is..It was there at the time....

Personally It looks like kids have tried real writing on it.....with odd letters standing out.....it would take a specialist to work it out.....Where is Susan...lol

[ajross]

I agree, but I also agree that the two notes in question could be (and have been) interpreted in many ways. I believe the note with the bold writing was found in the bedroom (possibly on a bedside tabe?) was it with the other 'suiggle' note? the other note i mention was in the bible and seems to have the first word 'love' written on it

[mike tesko]

My take on this is that Ralph never asked Jeremy to contact the police, or asked him to get the police to come to the scene, Ralph didn`t need to ask Jeremy to contact the police for two basic reasons. (1) Ralph or June could have activated the panic alarm fitted inside Whf because of threats made against the Bamber family, in particular, against Ralph Bamber, who upset a local man for sending his son to prison (Ralph had to take time off from his duty as a Magistrate because of these threats, and was under round the clock police protection and monitoring). Jeremy was aware that panic alarms were fitted at the farmhouse, and the reason why these had been installed. If Ralph or the family had been shot at, he would almost certainly have activated one of the two panic buttons installed at the farmhouse. (2) Ralph called the police himself, probably to explain to the police why he or June may have activated the alarm. What is interesting is that if you accept that Ralph and Jeremy both made a separate call to the police, neither of them make mention of the fact that anyone had been shot, or wounded, or killed? What distinguishes Ralph's call to the police from Jeremy`s call to them, is the reference by Ralph to his daughter having got one of my guns, as opposed to Jeremy telling the police that his father called him saying, your sister has got the gun, she has gone crazy, come quickly. What seems so obvious to me, is the way that details of what Jeremy told the police (3.36am) include mention of the role played by the father in the call he made to the son, by being recounted to the police by the son in his 3.36am call, yet when details of the fathers call (3.26am) are recorded, the father makes no mention of the call he made to the son, he simply recounts to the police the fact that his daughter has got hold of one of his guns. However... Additional about the son having received a call from his father are included towards the foot of this report, but these appear to have been added because Jeremy had also been in touch with the police about the same matter, but because it is recorded and mention on the bottom of the notes relating to what Ralph told police, and what jeremy told police, it allows the truth to be misrepresented.
 Basically put, the detail recorded in both of these phone message logs have been constructed differently, where one is made up of information provided by one person, whilst the other is made up from two different sources...

The truth about who was / is responsible is contained within the contents of the two timed phone message logs, 3.26am and 3.36am, in particular, how the main body of information contained in each was constructed, and the sequence of events involving, Ralph's call to Jeremy, Jeremy's attempt to re-establish contact once the line went dead, Ralph's call to the police, Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford, Jeremy`s call to the police, and the subsequent communications between Malcolm Bonnet (civilian employee) and PC West, regarding the same at the material time. What I am saying is that all the events described previously, all took place in and around the times of the two timed phone message logs,  and that the contents of both are capable of helping us to unravel what actually took place, who called who, when those calls took place, and shed some light on whether or not Jeremy Bamber told the truth about receiving a call from his father in the middle of the night. If such calls ( as described earlier)  took place, then of course jeremy Bamber could not possibly be responsible for killing Ralph, he could not have been the person who fought, overpowered and shot him in the kitchen, nor could Jeremy have stage managed Ralph's body in the kitchen as a murder, because Ralph had spoken to Jeremy when he made the call to him, and Ralph had spoken to the police...

The gist of what both Ralph and Jeremy told the police, is evidence of Bambers innocence...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

The truth about who was / is responsible is contained within the contents of the two timed phone message logs, 3.26am and 3.36am, in particular, how the main body of information contained in each was constructed, and the sequence of events involving, Ralph's call to Jeremy, Jeremy's attempt to re-establish contact once the line went dead, Ralph's call to the police, Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford, Jeremy`s call to the police, and the subsequent communications between Malcolm Bonnet (civilian employee) and PC West, regarding the same at the material time. What I am saying that all the events described previously, all took place in and around the times of the two timed phone message logs,  and that the contents of both are capable of helping us to unravel what actually took place, who called who, when those calls took place, and shed some light on whether or not Jeremy Bamber told the truth about receiving a call from his father in the middle of the night. If such a calls ( as described earlier)  took place, then of course jeremy Bamber could not possibly be responsible for killing Ralph, he could not have been the person who fought, overpowered and shot him in the kitchen, nor could Jeremy have stage managed Ralph's body in the kitchen as a murder, because Ralph had spoken to Jeremy when he made the call to him, and Ralph had spoken to the police...

The gist of what both Ralph and Jeremy told the police, is evidence of Bambers innocence...

And at what point does your theory of June Bamber being the shooter fit in here Mike?

[mike tesko]

And at what point does your theory of June Bamber being the shooter fit in here Mike?

June Bamber being one of the shooters, not the only shooter, can be unravelled by taking into account many things, such as the condition of her bloodstained nightdress, early newspaper reports that she was in fact was responsible for shooting the others, and the fact (amongst many other things) that when Ralph spoke to Jeremy he told him either, "Sheila has got the gun", or "She has got the gun", which could have been a reference to June Bamber having possession of one of the guns, whereas, when Ralph spoke to the police, he told them "My daughter has got one of my guns"...

I think the fact that in one phone message log, where reference to "My daughter has got possession of one of my guns", as opposed to what is recorded in the other "Your sister has got the gun”, compared with what Jeremy said to the police during interview that his father could have actually said, "she has got the gun”, as opposed to, and rather than him saying "Sheila has got the gun", which throws a different light on matters, since if Ralph actually said, ”She has" as opposed to ”Sheila has”, it leaves the door wide open for June to have got possession of "THE GUN", at the point when Ralph made the call to Jeremy, whereas the matter of who had got possession of guns appeared to have escalated dramatically by the time got around to Ralph phoning the police at around 3:26am, by which stage Ralph tells police that ”My daughter has got one of my guns"?

Clearly, within the space of a few minutes, the situation at whf worsened, and Ralph may have had to deal with, his wife June having possession of "THE GUN", as well as his daughter, also having got possession of "ONE OF MY GUNS”?

[mike tesko]

June Bamber being one of the shooters, not the only shooter, can be unravelled by taking into account many things, such as the condition of her bloodstained nightdress, early newspaper reports that she was in fact was responsible for shooting the others, and the fact (amongst many other things) that when Ralph spoke to Jeremy he told him either, "Sheila has got the gun", or "She has got the gun", which could have been a reference to June Bamber having possession of one of the guns, whereas, when Ralph spoke to the police, he told them "My daughter has got one of my guns"...

I think the fact that in one phone message log, where reference to "My daughter has got possession of one of my guns", as opposed to what is recorded in the other "Your sister has got the gun”, compared with what Jeremy said to the police during interview that his father could have actually said, "she has got the gun”, as opposed to, and rather than him saying "Sheila has got the gun", which throws a different light on matters, since if Ralph actually said, ”She has" as opposed to ”Sheila has”, it leaves the door wide open for June to have got possession of "THE GUN", at the point when Ralph made the call to Jeremy, whereas the matter of who had got possession of guns appeared to have escalated dramatically by the time got around to Ralph phoning the police at around 3:26am, by which stage Ralph tells police that ”My daughter has got one of my guns"?

Clearly, within the space of a few minutes, the situation at whf worsened, and Ralph may have had to deal with, his wife June having possession of "THE GUN", as well as his daughter, also having got possession of "ONE OF MY GUNS”?

Once you open up your minds eye to the possibility that there were two shooters, as opposed to only one, and that the two shooters in question, were / are June and Sheila, as opposed to there only having been one, where it could only have been either Sheila, or Jeremy, it becomes possible to piece together and reconstruct what took place, and how the unfolding drama panned out...

[mike tesko]

Once you open up your minds eye to the possibility that there were two shooters, as opposed to only one, and that the two shooters in question, were / are June and Sheila, as opposed to there only having been one, where it could only have been either Sheila, or Jeremy, it becomes possible to piece together and reconstruct what took place, and how the unfolding drama panned out...

I believe that the manner with which both of the timed phone message log contents have been constructed provides the best evidence yet, that only Sheila and not Jeremy played any role in the shootings...

[mike tesko]

KEY EVENTS:-

(1) - June Bamber in possession of ”THE GUN"

(2) - Ralph Bamber phones Jeremy, tells him ”She has got the gun (meaning June had got the gun) she has gone crazy, come quickly" - line goes dead

(3) - Jeremy tries to call farmhouse back to find out more details, he uses the redial facility on his phone, but gets a constant engaged tone, suggesting someone was using the phone at whf to talk to someone else

(4) - Ralph phones (3.26am)

(5) -  Jeremy calls Julie Mugford on phone, tells her there is something wrong at the farm

(6) - Occupants of CAO7 deployed to scene

(6) - Jeremy calls police (3.36am)  reports circumstances of fathers call

(7) - Malcolm Bonnet contacts PC West to inform him about Jeremys call

(8) -  West already dealing with call from father, updates log with fact that Son (Jeremy) had also contacted police about message from father

(9) - Jeremy told to go to farmhouse, where he will be met by police who have already been deployed there


 

[mike tesko]

KEY EVENTS:-

(1) - June Bamber in possession of ”THE GUN"

(2) - Ralph Bamber phones Jeremy, tells him ”She has got the gun (meaning June had got the gun) she has gone crazy, come quickly" - line goes dead

(3) - Jeremy tries to call farmhouse back to find out more details, he uses the redial facility on his phone, but gets a constant engaged tone, suggesting someone was using the phone at whf to talk to someone else

(4) - Ralph phones (3.26am)

(5) -  Jeremy calls Julie Mugford on phone, tells her there is something wrong at the farm

(6) - Occupants of CAO7 deployed to scene

(6) - Jeremy calls police (3.36am)  reports circumstances of fathers call

(7) - Malcolm Bonnet contacts PC West to inform him about Jeremys call

(8) -  West already dealing with call from father, updates log with fact that Son (Jeremy) had also contacted police about message from father

(9) - Jeremy told to go to farmhouse, where he will be met by police who have already been deployed there

Contents of (3.26am) phone log Clearly has input from two different sources, Ralph contacts police about his daughter having got possession of one of his guns, which got added to later once jeremy got around to reporting to the police (3.36am) the details of his fathers call...

Details of Jeremy's call to the police (3.36am) got recorded separately...

Ralph's call got logged including reference by jeremy to the police of Ralphs call to him, whereas details of Jeremy's call to the police deal only with what Ralph said to Jeremy (as interpreted by Malcolm Bonnet and PC West)...

[Patti]

Hi MIke

I think you are a fantastic person, especially with your determination of finding the truth and, giving this site a remarkable insight to statements, photo's etc........

I could go with two shooters, i really could....but do the case shells come from one gun only?

I don't believe for one minute that June handled a gun that night....Like her poor husband Nevill, her injuries were horrific. I think it is very sad to pin point the blame onto someone else, without real evidence.

Mike, you are a bit like me, there are certain things that I have thought, but could never divulge on here.

I think I will try and start a thread......I am interested in June and, I would like the views of others about a question I would like to ask.....I will check first to see if it has been covered before....