Bamber guilty, surely!

[campion]

Paatti, re post 77, I just read what you said so I went back to check the second note with the other writing on, the picture now displayed is one with Hammersley's signature but no second note. If I haven't misunderstood this that confirms what the Consultancy Campaign e-mailed Me last September that there are two versions ?

[Patti]

Paatti, re post 77, I just read what you said so I went back to check the second note with the other writing on, the picture now displayed is one with Hammersley's signature but no second note. If I haven't misunderstood this that confirms what the Consultancy Campaign e-mailed Me last September that there are two versions ?

Hi Campion

Do you mean this one? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4513;image

[campion]

 Patti, yes that was the one I saw yesterday.

[ajross]

ajross  I think everything Sheila was doing and thinking was very strange and  appeared to me she was being defiant towards Neville I read earlier his PJ,s were down around his shins  and it has been said they were as back then rather prudish about Sheila and her sexual activities.

Fair point!

[susan]

Hi Patti  I have seen the two notes again and I am convinced Sheila wrote the letters and all the 3,s and the please x3 perhaps you can tell me the other note must I stand on my head or lie on my side to read cannot understand a word.  I am still on trying to find out exactly what the letters and 3,s mean as this would tell us the state of mind the person was in who wrote them.

[Buddy]

Fair point!

The old style pyjama's were tied with a cord, and often came loose.I find nothing sinister in this.
Plain and simple his pyjama bottoms came undone in the obvious struggle he had with the killer.
I do not believe there was any question of anything sexual about the murders. It was an anger attack, and nothing more. The question is who was the most angry.

[susan]

Buddy I had never thought it like that but it is feasible.  I did read it was regarded as some kind of a statement of sheer defiance but as we know not everything we read is always correct.  But take your point.

[HMEssex]

Hi Patti  I have seen the two notes again and I am convinced Sheila wrote the letters and all the 3,s and the please x3 perhaps you can tell me the other note must I stand on my head or lie on my side to read cannot understand a word.  I am still on trying to find out exactly what the letters and 3,s mean as this would tell us the state of mind the person was in who wrote them.

Regarding the 'other side' of the note, i.e. the indecipherable writing, I believe it has been photographed the wrong way round. 

If you think about it, the start of the lines would be next to the perforations.

To me much of it resembles shorthand.

[Buddy]

Sheila loved her father, and he was one of the few people who could calm her down when she was having one of her episodes.
I believe that Sheila shot June first, because she, and the  twins did not like her because of her religious beliefs. " I hate this place". Colin was not happy with June either. To be remembered is June had to go to a mental institution because of a breakdown, probably brought on by the fact she could not bear children. For a women this must be devastating.
All the pictures of June shows a happy woman, but so do the pictures of Sheila, Yet both were unhappy and suffering from a mental illness.

[susan]

Buddy  Do you think whilst Sheila was shooting June Neville was downstairs phoning the Police he would not be upstairs at that point Sheila would then have shot her lovely boys then downstairs to attack Neville all conjecture but it would appear to have happened in this way.

[Patti]

Hi Patti  I have seen the two notes again and I am convinced Sheila wrote the letters and all the 3,s and the please x3 perhaps you can tell me the other note must I stand on my head or lie on my side to read cannot understand a word.  I am still on trying to find out exactly what the letters and 3,s mean as this would tell us the state of mind the person was in who wrote them.

Yes Susan, stand on your head and drink a glass of Chardonnay at the same time....lol.....

I can't read any of it....I do note the word PLANS at the top of the page.....lol Whoosh to rest...

[Buddy]

Buddy  Do you think whilst Sheila was shooting June Neville was downstairs phoning the Police he would not be upstairs at that point Sheila would then have shot her lovely boys then downstairs to attack Neville all conjecture but it would appear to have happened in this way.

The finding of the bullet case on the stairs points to Nevill being shot on his way downstairs. This could have hit him in the arm [hence the blooded marks on the work surface].
It is possible he fled after June was shot first, but not fatally.
I think the twins were the last victims.

[lebaleb]

The old style pyjama's were tied with a cord, and often came loose.I find nothing sinister in this.
Plain and simple his pyjama bottoms came undone in the obvious struggle he had with the killer.
I do not believe there was any question of anything sexual about the murders. It was an anger attack, and nothing more. The question is who was the most angry.

By the time Nevill got to the kitchen he had been shot 5 times so I doubt there much struggling, just Nevill trying to get away.

[Patti]

The finding of the bullet case on the stairs points to Nevill being shot on his way downstairs. This could have hit him in the arm [hence the blooded marks on the work surface].
It is possible he fled after June was shot first, but not fatally.
I think the twins were the last victims.

Glad you mentioned that shell case on the stairs....So we have 3 upstairs, one on the staircase and 4 in the kitchen? Is that correct....

[susan]

Patti  you certainly are full of Yorkshire humour but I will try it and let you know!!!