Bamber guilty, surely!

[curiousessex]

Yes I accept all that curriousessex, just got the book, just interested if you knew anything about him.

Maggie

I am afraid I know nothing......

[guest7363]

Maggie

Yes I am from the area.

I have never heard of Peter Healey whom lives in Tiptree.

In my opinion, I do not believe a Jimmy Bell, will have conducted the killings for a number of reasons;

(i) Jimmy Bell is not mentioned in the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy.
(ii) It is Sheila who is specifically identified / referenced in both the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy and the telephone call Jeremy made to the police. I am very confident Nevill would not confuse Sheila with a Jimmy Bell.
(iii) How would a Jeremy Bell be able to gamble on a prediction Jeremy would make a telephone call to the police specifically drawing reference to Sheila.
(iv) How would a Jimmy Bell be able to gamble on a prediction that Jeremy admitting to loading the murder weapon the night before having not put it away securely.
(v) How would a Jimmy Bell be able to gamble on a prediction that Jeremy would describe a potentially emotive discussion taking place the evening before the killings regarding the possibility of Nevill and June making arrangements to have Sheila's children fostered. (These being children for which the natural father also had custody. Surely one would expect the natural father to have at least been aware of such discussion if not being actively involved in such discussions.)
(vi) If a Jimmy Bell had threatened both Nevill and June Bamber what reason would Jimmy have in killing the others?

One last point...

In my opinion, if the defence were to introduce the possibility of a Jimmy Bell being the killer it would totally undermine Jeremy's position and what he has been maintaining since convinction and before. Jeremy has admitted he believes Sheila is the killer.

Nice post curious, is it the same peter healey who writes about ghost and whitchcraft? i think i no where this is from?

[Patti]

Trouble is sika witness statements are really unreliable.   Just because her flatmates are convinced they are stating the truth it is their perception of the truth.  Have you ever given a statement. It's amazing how inaccurate we can be.

Very true Maggie.....

[curiousessex]

Very true Maggie.....

Unfortunately that is all that we have to go in certain aspects of the case.

If the witness statements of Julie's flatmates are to be dismissed then the same applies to the reliability of Jeremy's statements.....

That would leave circumstantial evidence which, in my opinion, would not be good for Jeremy.

[maggie]

Nice post curious, is it the same peter healey who writes about ghost and whitchcraft? i think i no where this is from?

  So do you know anything more about him Ralph?  I've just bought his book on amazon and it's not really what I expected but I will read it and reach my own conclusions. He gives his address in Tiptree and just wondered if anyone local knew anything of interest about him.

[guest7363]

  So do you know anything more about him Ralph?  I've just bought his book on amazon and it's not really what I expected but I will read it and reach my own conclusions. He gives his address in Tiptree and just wondered if anyone local knew anything of interest about him.

Only that i used to work in the area and i used to stop in a farm house very similar to whf and i read about him when i was down there that's all? I thought he was from that area because it was a local paper?

[G]

Why did Ralph call the police at all then? http://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/nevill-s-call-to-police

If Jeremy wanted a strong alibi he would not have called the police at all.

[G]

If you read Jeremy's statement you would see that Nevill didn't say she had gone berserk, just that she had got the gun. A huge difference.

That was in the police call transcript, "Daughter gone berserk with one of my guns". Sounds very like Ralph talking to the police and not Jeremy.

[G]

Thanks curiousessex I wasn't sure if Jeremy had stated he looked the number up. Certainly a bit strange!
Will have to look at the telephone log again.

Again if Jeremy did murder his family surely his best bet in getting away with it was not to phone the police at all. By phoning the cops he would have immediately put himself in the frame, which of course is what happened. Sounds like a very incompetent murderer to me. Especially when it was mentioned by the police that he was very cunning. Somehow the two don't seem to ring true to me. He either must be one or the other?

[sika]

Again if Jeremy did murder his family surely his best bet in getting away with it was not to phone the police at all. By phoning the cops he would have immediately put himself in the frame, which of course is what happened. Sounds like a very incompetent murderer to me. Especially when it was mentioned by the police that he was very cunning. Somehow the two don't seem to ring true to me. He either must be one or the other?

Initially his telephone alibi DID work, exactly as he intended.  The police never suspected him for a second.  They were that convinced that what he was saying was true, that they then proceeded to completely destroy the murder scene!  If he had not invented this alibi I believe there would have been enough evidence present to convince even some of those on this forum! So to an extent, his plan DID work.

[jon]

Initially his telephone alibi DID work, exactly as he intended.  The police never suspected him for a second.  They were that convinced that what he was saying was true, that they then proceeded to completely destroy the murder scene!  If he had not invented this alibi I believe there would have been enough evidence present to convince even some of those on this forum! So to an extent, his plan DID work.

Sika , how did JB know , EP could not contact BT to check up who called who ?

[tyler]

Initially his telephone alibi DID work, exactly as he intended.  The police never suspected him for a second.  They were that convinced that what he was saying was true, that they then proceeded to completely destroy the murder scene!  If he had not invented this alibi I believe there would have been enough evidence present to convince even some of those on this forum! So to an extent, his plan DID work.

I think it is wrong to say that the police destroyed the crime scene simply on the basis of anything told to them by Jeremy.Their job is to investigate the crime scene and reach a conclusion based on any evidence.They destroyed the crime scene because to these experienced officers,the evidence suggested 4 murders and a suicide and that is what they told the inquest!

[sika]

I think it is wrong to say that the police destroyed the crime scene simply on the basis of anything told to them by Jeremy.Their job is to investigate the crime scene and reach a conclusion based on any evidence.They destroyed the crime scene because to these experienced officers,the evidence suggested 4 murders and a suicide and that is what they told the inquest!

Having been briefed before hand, when entering the house the police were expecting to find a crazed woman wielding a shotgun. Therefore, when they found the bodies including Shelia's, with a shotgun across her chest, they would naturally assume 4 murders and a suicide.  As a result I don't think they would have been so careful about preserving evidence. 

[tyler]

Having been briefed before hand, when entering the house the police were expecting to find a crazed woman wielding a shotgun. Therefore, when they found the bodies including Shelia's, with a shotgun across her chest, they would naturally assume 4 murders and a suicide.  As a result I don't think they would have been so careful about preserving evidence.

Like I said,it wasnt their job to "assume".It was their job to investigate and collect evidence.None of the evidence that they collected incriminated Jeremy.And how can you be so sure that Sheila was found with a rifle across her chest.One officer told AE that Sheila and June were found on Junes bed with a rifle between them.Mike has seen a photograph of Sheila on the bed with no rifle and another officer (may have been Collins)? queried Sheilas position on the floor with the rifle,as he does not recall seeing a rifle at all when he first saw Sheilas body.

[G]

Initially his telephone alibi DID work, exactly as he intended.  The police never suspected him for a second.  They were that convinced that what he was saying was true, that they then proceeded to completely destroy the murder scene!  If he had not invented this alibi I believe there would have been enough evidence present to convince even some of those on this forum! So to an extent, his plan DID work.

He had no alibi so how could he have invented it? If he hadn't said anything at all he would have been in a stronger position.
Incidentally this is what you wrote on 27th of March

"Incidentally, I am completely undecided as to whether JB is guilty or not.

Now you say things like

" If he had not invented this alibi"

Doesn't take much to persuade you that he is guilty does it?