No fingerprint records existed to prove any of the bullet cases had been done..

[mike tesko]

No fingerprint records existed to prove any of the bullet cases had been done..

There exists no police records to prove that any of the bullet cases were fingerprinted to try and prove who handled them, and loaded them into the gun - according to a report made in the name of Detective sergeant 1099 R. T. Gilbert, dated 1st May, 2000, it states the following:-

"On the 24th March 2000, I attended HQ fingerprints and looked through the file kept there that relates to the BAMBER enquiry. I was able to ascertain the full extent of the fingerprint search at various scenes that were relevant to this enquiry. What was clear was that there was no record of the spent cartridges that had been seized from White house farm, Tolleshunt D'Arcy having been searched for fingerprints"...

[mike tesko]

So, DI Cook (SOC) deceived everyone into thinking this had been done when all along it had not, because no record exists to prove that these tests were done...

[mike tesko]

Cook gets around this by claiming he took the bullet cases along with him to Sandridge which is a police research facility, on 15th August 1985, but there is no actual record that he carried out any fingerprint examination on individual spent cartridge cases that were recovered from the scene...

[Roch]

Mike are you sure the casings were not tested?  I think they were.

[mike tesko]

Mike are you sure the casings were not tested?  I think they were.

It is debatable, which bullet cases were fingerprinted, if any were fingerprinted at all, what the May 2000 document establishes is that there exists no record at HQ fingerprint Dept, that any such fingerprinting of the bullet cases recovered from whf exists, or that they were ever fingerprinted...

[Patti]

I'm not following you Mike....please believe me

Not sure if you have seen this! I am at the stage where there are many conflicting stories
and, I am unsure of which ones are correct...I do now that website with org in them can be
trusted....or maybe not.., but please take a look at this, for it states that Shelia's fingerprints
were on the cartridges.....??

http://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

[Roch]

2002, Michael Turner appeal notes / official disclosure by CPS is the source.  I wonder if it's come from the lever arch files that came in to his possession last year? 

Quite of serious piece of info if correct. 

[mike tesko]

I'm not following you Mike....please believe me

Not sure if you have seen this! I am at the stage where there are many conflicting stories
and, I am unsure of which ones are correct...I do now that website with org in them can be
trusted....or maybe not.., but please take a look at this, for it states that Shelia's fingerprints
were on the cartridges.....??

http://jeremybamber.org/robert-boutflour/

"Robert Boutflour details that Jeremy had been trying to get Sheila to load the rifle in front of June and Pamela but Pamela made no such recollection of the incident in her statements.  Jeremy denied ever doing this.  It is now known that Sheila’s fingerprints were found on the bullet cases of the cartridges and this was not disclosed. [18]  One can only postulate that the police told Robert Boutlfour about this and in an attempt to explain it he made a statement of how Shiela’s fingerprints came to be on the bullet cases.  He had been adamant that the farmer’s daughter would not have known how to fire the weapon".

I do not see any evidence to prove that her fingerprints were indeed found upon any of the bullet cases, although I am aware of the information about the claim Jeremy was seen teaching Sheila how to load bullets into the gun and fire it? I can only repeat what is recorded in the May 2000 document which clearly states that there are no records held at HQ fingerprint Dept' that any of the bullet cases recovered from the scene at whf were ever fingerprinted. You could be right, but until I see evidence to the contrary, I shall choose to believe that such bullet cases were not in fact fingerprinted...

[Patti]

It would be interesting to find out if Essex police still have the cartridges....They still have the moderator,
but have said that the moderator has no more DNA on it, because of tests previously done...

[tyler]

It would be interesting to find out if Essex police still have the cartridges....They still have the moderator,
but have said that the moderator has no more DNA on it, because of tests previously done...

Apparently EP do still have the cartridge cases.Though most people say that they are too small to be fingerprinted?

[Patti]

Apparently EP do still have the cartridge cases.Though most people say that they are too small to be fingerprinted?

Hi Tyler

Ha! You would think with all the modern technology in forensic science. they would be able too...

Maybe I watch CSI too much....lol...