Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill

[Patti]

That is if it was the muzzle of the gun that burnt him? To me they look nothing like the shape of the muzzle of a gun? If it was then it must have been red hot. More like a poker.

You have to remember that the forensic tests that were done is one of an opinion, form a scientist that has
credibility for hundreds of gun crimes.

Also one must take into account the bruising on Nevill....One thing he did say were that the wounds were
the same size of the muzzle exactly.....

When he was given the rifle, he said that a child could have used it.......

Regarding the poker? What poker....and, where was this poker? Does it appear in any of the photo's
of the crime scene? Just asking lol

[susan]

Patti  Poker was found in the cupboard where the silencer was found.  Will talk to you shortly about the number 3 and the strange letters.

[sika]

You have to remember that the forensic tests that were done is one of an opinion, form a scientist that has
credibility for hundreds of gun crimes.

Also one must take into account the bruising on Nevill....One thing he did say were that the wounds were
the same size of the muzzle exactly.....

When he was given the rifle, he said that a child could have used it.......

Regarding the poker? What poker....and, where was this poker? Does it appear in any of the photo's
of the crime scene? Just asking lol

You say that a child could have used the gun.  I read that when the jury tried reloading the gun it got progressively more difficult, to the point that it was very difficult indeed.  I refer you to the 2002 appeal court ruling.   

Examination of the rifle 69. The rifle was a German made Anschutz model 525 .22 self-loading rifle in good working order. Cartridges are loaded into a magazine, which has a capacity of 10. It is, as the jury found when they conducted the exercise themselves, progressively harder to load as the number of cartridges increases. Loading the tenth is exceptionally hard. Assuming a full capacity at the commencement of the shooting at the farm, the discharge of the rifle twenty-five times would require it to be re-loaded a minimum of two more times.



 

[Newbury1]

Not worked try again....This shows the burn marks on Nevill's back...

Please note that the test is done on pig skin, which simulates our own skin and the nozzle
had been been burned to 200 degrees as shown in the diagram.

However, the crime investigator said more test would be needed, because the nozzle would not have reached that temperature after firing several shots.

In the case of Shelia, it was his opinion that a moderator had not been used when she was shot.

In the case of the burns on Nevill's back, it was his opinion due to size and shape that the nozzle end of the rifle could have been used on his back, but he went on to say no moderator was used....This giving an indication that a moderator was not used during the killings.....

Thanks Patti, and well done for making it work.

The picture you posted has reaffirmed my feeling that the test results (as shown) do not tally with the original burns to Nevill and therefore are inconclusive. The original burns look more poker to me too!

I appreciate the test results shown on TV were not the test results carried out in Arizona and therefore those results may prove to be different, and who knows, even comparable to the burns on Nevill. As I am sure we will never get to see the Arizona results, we will have to wait and see if the Arizona results have swayed the CCRC.

[Buddy]

I refer you to my previous posts. You are inaccurate

[Patti]

Hi Sika

I didn't refer to reloading the gun, I merely said that the scientist said a child could use it....Did you know it takes under 20 seconds to fill a magazine with 10 bullets....

Where they get the idea of it being difficult to load the rifle 3 times from Is a question I would like to know....

[Newbury1]

I refer you to my previous posts. You are inaccurate

Could you please let us (me) know who is this post directed at?

 

[sika]

Hi Sika

I didn't refer to reloading the gun, I merely said that the scientist said a child could use it....Did you know it takes under 20 seconds to fill a magazine with 10 bullets....

Where they get the idea of it being difficult to load the rifle 3 times from Is a question I would like to know....

Hi Patti,  well they obviously did try it for themselves,  they weren't taking anyone's word for it.  Would Shelia have been capable of reloading the gun?  Would she have known what she was doing?  I'm not saying that it's difficult once you know how, but did she know how?

[Patti]

Hi Patti,  well they obviously did try it for themselves,  they weren't taking anyone's word for it.  Would Shelia have been capable of reloading the gun?  Would she have known what she was doing?  I'm not saying that it's difficult once you know how, but did she know how?

Hi Sika

One can only speculate of course without convincing evidence that she could use a gun. The mere fact she was a farmers daughter and,  lived around guns for most of her life, you would suspect that at some point she would have handled a gun.....

It is well documented that she went on shoots when she was younger......I would suspect
that she knew how one would work, yes.....

Shelia was not physically weak Sika...She was a young fit woman, she was for from frail.....

[susan]

Hi Patti  Remember yesterday we had a discussion with Nick about the significance of the figure 3 that Sheila wrote 5 times and 3 burn marks on Neville,s back.  I think all the information you posted was near to the mark the 3 was written 5 times that refers to 5 bodies then the 3 burn marks on Neville,s back this has religious connotations.  The strange letters she wrote seems to refer to Swedish Proverbs her list is almost to the letter of one I found on the internet and all the meanings seem to apply to what I suspect was her mental state at the time.  She appeared to be driven by misguided religion and in her mind was doing the right thing.  This is of course my opinion I am not an expert but the number 3 is so significant even the burning of the flesh and the three circles on Neville,s back have a meaning they were not just done for the sake of it. Even what Nick said about the three coffee beans makes sense.

[Patti]

Hi Patti  Remember yesterday we had a discussion with Nick about the significance of the figure 3 that Sheila wrote 5 times and 3 burn marks on Neville,s back.  I think all the information you posted was near to the mark the 3 was written 5 times that refers to 5 bodies then the 3 burn marks on Neville,s back this has religious connotations.  The strange letters she wrote seems to refer to Swedish Proverbs her list is almost to the letter of one I found on the internet and all the meanings seem to apply to what I suspect was her mental state at the time.  She appeared to be driven by misguided religion and in her mind was doing the right thing.  This is of course my opinion I am not an expert but the number 3 is so significant even the burning of the flesh and the three circles on Neville,s back have a meaning they were not just done for the sake of it. Even what Nick said about the three coffee beans makes sense.

Hello there Susan

Yes I do remember...I am not religious in any way. I looked at the children's drawings and the note that Shelia is supposed to have left....All to me come from the same note book....take a look....I just hink it was the children writing and drawing and has no significance to god.....Even though the number 3 appears to have some meaning with Holy Trinity.....I'll need you to convince me Susan...lol

Take a look at these. Do you think they came from the same notebook?

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=11775;image
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=11739;image

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=11740;image
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=11741;image
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=11742;image

Thought I'd give you something to do.....hahahahahah

[G]

You have to remember that the forensic tests that were done is one of an opinion, form a scientist that has
credibility for hundreds of gun crimes.

Also one must take into account the bruising on Nevill....One thing he did say were that the wounds were
the same size of the muzzle exactly.....

When he was given the rifle, he said that a child could have used it.......

Regarding the poker? What poker....and, where was this poker? Does it appear in any of the photo's
of the crime scene? Just asking lol

A poker was found in the gun cupboard.

[susan]

Hi Pati thanks for that if you knew how long it would take to download all that on a Dial Connection you would feel so so sorry for me.  Any theory on the 3 burn marks.  But will try to see the downloads.

[G]

You say that a child could have used the gun.  I read that when the jury tried reloading the gun it got progressively more difficult, to the point that it was very difficult indeed.  I refer you to the 2002 appeal court ruling.   

Examination of the rifle 69. The rifle was a German made Anschutz model 525 .22 self-loading rifle in good working order. Cartridges are loaded into a magazine, which has a capacity of 10. It is, as the jury found when they conducted the exercise themselves, progressively harder to load as the number of cartridges increases. Loading the tenth is exceptionally hard. Assuming a full capacity at the commencement of the shooting at the farm, the discharge of the rifle twenty-five times would require it to be re-loaded a minimum of two more times.

(1) There is no evidence that Sheila fully loaded the magazine. (2) It does depend on the person loading the gun. In spite of what the relatives said in not seeing Sheila handle a gun (this has been shown to be wrong by the way when David Boutflour suddenly remembered seeing her at a shoot in Scotland) she lived on the farm all her life and so it is logical to assume that she together with the rest of the family knew how to handle guns.

[Patti]

Hi Pati thanks for that if you knew how long it would take to download all that on a Dial Connection you would feel so so sorry for me.  Any theory on the 3 burn marks.  But will try to see the downloads.

Aww bless you.....I'm sorry....If you go to the archives on the site they have already been downloaded....You will find them on statements and Photo's....

Hope you forgive me.....)