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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2012, 11:10:AM »
If you had a hot gun stuck in your back you would be in too much pain to make a phone call.  Think the wounds were inflicted after death some kind of a ritual perhaps.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #91 on: April 16, 2012, 11:16:AM »
If you had a hot gun stuck in your back you would be in too much pain to make a phone call.  Think the wounds were inflicted after death some kind of a ritual perhaps.

Hi Susan

I would think you would not have a choice if a gun was in your back, no matter how painful it was.

I must agree with you though, that it could be possible for the end of the gun to have been placed in his back after being subdued or even after death....:)

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #92 on: April 16, 2012, 12:07:PM »
Is there any possibility that injuries to Neville could have been caused by falling heaavily rather than by beating?

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #93 on: April 16, 2012, 12:46:PM »
Is there any possibility that injuries to Neville could have been caused by falling heaavily rather than by beating?

That's an interesting point Maggie.....When you read the pathology report one of the twins had black eyes
due to the bullet's that had fractured the skull....thus, could also apply to Nevill....

However, he had one or two more lacerations, which can't be applied to injuries form a bullet wound....

His knees where bruised and grazed, so this could have resulted in him falling...

God, he received horrific injuries...poor poor man...Not sure, but I also think on the report that his pyjama bottoms were around his ankles......

Read this.....:(  http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,988.msg29919.html#msg29919


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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #94 on: April 16, 2012, 01:17:PM »
I haven't seen that before Patti, it has always worried me because I have read that Ralph was badly beaten when he was shot and killed but reading that report does show most of his bruising etc was caused by bullets.  He possibly could have fallen, he was a big man and if injured would have fallen very heavily. I just have difficulty in working out how Sheila or indeed Jeremy could have overpowered and beaten such a strong and fit man even if he had minor gunshot wounds  It seems maybe the prosecution played too heavily on the fact that Ralph was badley beaten to try and prove that Sheila could not possibly have doone it. It is a persuasive argument but I've got it right in my head now..... maaybe a bit of a red herring?  I have to acknowledge the dreadful attack Ralph sustained, poor Ralph.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #95 on: April 16, 2012, 01:34:PM »
If your theory was correct Patti Nevile could have given the name of his attacker whilst on the phone because he would know he was a goner at this stage and according to what happened Nevile said in the phone call his daughter had a gun and was out of control. I don,t think he had been shot at this stage but was within seconds

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #96 on: April 16, 2012, 01:37:PM »
Maggie I think the injuries were sustained after death.  To me the act of a deranged soul poor Sheila.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #97 on: April 16, 2012, 01:46:PM »
If your theory was correct Patti Nevile could have given the name of his attacker whilst on the phone because he would know he was a goner at this stage and according to what happened Nevile said in the phone call his daughter had a gun and was out of control. I don,t think he had been shot at this stage but was within seconds

Yes he could Maggie, for spent cases were found near the phone....Or was he about to say something and got cut off?

If Nevill made that phone call at 3:26 and referred to Shelia having his gun, then Shelia is guilty....but I doubt that she was....You know when you have this gut feeling......

Her body does not add up....her mother is more blood stained than her......Shelia would have blood splatter all over her, if she had killed her boys at such close range, her mother and her father, she would have more blood on her than that......Unless she washed and got redressed....but I can't see that....

I wonder if her nightdress had been examined for other DNA?

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #98 on: April 16, 2012, 01:56:PM »
Well, he must have got cut off, before he was shot, otherwise Jeremy would have heard something....Jeremy said he tried
calling his father back at least two times and got the engaged tone.....which incidentally coincides with Nevill calling the police.

The famous call to police that was never shown at his trail...Had he been the killer, he would have known about it, but did not
claim to know about it till 2002....It also suggests that Jeremy was telling the truth at the time....Oh the mind boggles lol

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #99 on: April 16, 2012, 02:02:PM »
Let's say hypothetically, Ralph is worried because Sheila has got hold of the gun and is ranting and raving, possibly locked in the bathroom so Ralph can't disarm her. She insists she wants to speak to Jeremy. So Ralph goes down stairs to call Jeremy. After speaking briefly with Jeremy he decides to call the doctor or 999 for medical assistance. Before the call is complete he hears noises from upstairs. Bang, bang, bang and June screaming. He drops the reciever and goes upstairs to find June on the floor still alive but bleeding. He crouches down next to her but Sheila comes up behind, bang, bang, bang. He is barely able to stand but tries to get away. Sheila follows him out of the bedroom and shoots at him as he's going down the stairs. He staggers into the kitchen and falls to his knees. He tries to reach the phone but he's too weak. Sheila comes down and tries to shoot him again but the magazine is empty. Ralph pulls himself up on the table and tries to get to the backdoor. She takes the rifle and beats Ralph's head with the butt. He collapses onto a chair his head drops onto the scuttle. Sheila then had time to reload return upstairs to finish off June. Then Return to the kitchen to shoot Ralph 3 more times. 

Of course this is just my theory of how it could have happened

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #100 on: April 16, 2012, 02:08:PM »
her Mother had more gunshot wounds than Sheila so she would be covered in more blood.  I am not an expert in guns but I have a feeling at close range with that type of riffle you do not get splatter.  It would have been quite normal for Sheila to wash and cleanse herself after the shootings.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #101 on: April 16, 2012, 02:14:PM »
Yeah lelab I'm sure that gun belonging to Anthony Pargeter played an important part in the whole episode. I kept thinking about Sheila going into the loo and seeing the gun but never for some reason thought of her 'going crazy' in the locked toilet with the gun. What you hav described is certainly a possibility.  Somehow Sheila had to get in charge of the situation with the gun before Ralph could get to her. That is the only way she could have overwhelmed everyone. In my opinion.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #102 on: April 16, 2012, 02:15:PM »
Sorry lebaleb.

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #103 on: April 16, 2012, 02:27:PM »
Maggie I think the injuries were sustained after death.  To me the act of a deranged soul poor Sheila.
I think i have read that you do not bruise when your dead Susan, just a off thought would the burn marks still be the same or have the same markings before or after death? or has this been covered?

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Re: Theoretical conclusions over burn marks to Nevill
« Reply #104 on: April 16, 2012, 02:37:PM »
Are you going to let us into the secret?  Do you now accept that you know exactly what Keira was referring to?  Why did you feel the need to make an accusation of racism which you knew had no basis whatsoever?

Hartley has not replied to my post, but has deleted his profile.