If silencer wasn't used...

[mike tesko]

If silencer wasn't used...

If the silencer wasn't used in the shootings, as suggested by the recent tests from the US, the CCRC will have to consider how the blood which the jury accepted belonged or originated from Sheila, got into the silencer?

[mike tesko]

If silencer wasn't used...

If the silencer wasn't used in the shootings, as suggested by the recent tests from the US, the CCRC will have to consider how the blood which the jury accepted belonged or originated from Sheila, got into the silencer?

CCRC will not simply accept that a silencer wasn't used, without also taking into account the fact that blood was found inside a silencer - so if a silencer was not used at all in the shootings, how did that blood get into the silencer? I do not think for one moment that the CCRC will accept any suggestion that blood was deliberately put into the silencer (even if it was), and because of this, it could be a sticking point? I do not think the CCRC will decide the issue of whether a silencer was used or not alone, they will consider the merits of the new evidence alongside the fact that blood from Sheila was found inside one of the silencers, if not the only silencer...

[mike tesko]

CCRC will not simply accept that a silencer was n't used, without also taking into account the fact that blood was found inside a silencer - so if a silencer was not used at all in the shootings, how did that blood get into the silencer? I do not think for one moment that the CCRC will accept any suggestion that blood was deliberately put into the silencer (even if it was), and because of this, it could be a sticking point? I do not think the CCRC will decide the issue of whether a silencer was used or not alone, they will consider the merits of the new evidence alongside the fact that blood from Sheila was found inside one of the silencers, if not the only silencer...

So...

with this in mind, it is not wise to say that a silencer was not used at all in the shootings, since blood from Sheila, or anyone, had to get into the silencer by some means or other? For this not to be true, any referral of the caseback to the court of appeal by the CCRC, would almost inevitably mean there will have to be some sort of internal police investigation involving searching questions about how the blood from Sheila got into the silencer?

[mike tesko]

What everyone has to remember is that the jury accepted that the blood found in the silencer came from and belonged elusively to Sheila Caffell, and in order to negate the impact of such evidence there needs to be an explanation for how her blood could have got into the silencer, without it having been deliberately dripped into it by relatives or police conspirators?

I have sought to provide an explanation for how Sheila's blood could have got into one (SBJ/1) of the silencers...

The mark around the lower non fatal entry wound does not appear around any of the other 24 bullet entry wounds, it is a mark or an abrasion unique to the non fatal neck wound...

[mike tesko]

What everyone has to remember is that the jury accepted that the blood found in the silencer came from and belonged elusively to Sheila Caffell, and in order to negate the impact of such evidence there needs to be an explanation for how her blood could have got into the silencer, without it having been deliberately dripped into it by relatives or police conspirators?

I have sought to provide an explanation for how Sheila's blood could have got into one (SBJ/1) of the silencers...

The mark around the lower non fatal entry wound does not appear around any of the other 24 bullet entry wounds, it is a mark or an abrasion unique to the non fatal neck wound...

More importantly, the mark has the same or very similar dimensional characteristics as the muzzle end of a silencer...

[mike tesko]

More importantly, the mark has the same or very similar dimensional characteristics as the muzzle end of a silencer...

Police seized a silencer (SBJ/1) from the scene on 7th August 1985, and questioned Jeremy about it on 9th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

I have received information recently to the effect that when David Boutflour found the silencer in the gun cupboard, it was inside a cardboard box, and when he picked up the silencer from inside the box, blood started to run out of the end of the silencer. By all accounts the box it was contained in, was also bloodstained - now if this is true, it begs the question why has this version of events been suppressed for almost 27 years, and what happened to the box that this silencer was found in?

[mike tesko]

I have received information recently to the effect that when David Boutflour found the silencer in the gun cupboard, it was inside a cardboard box, and when he picked up the silencer from inside the box, blood started to run out of the end of the silencer. By all accounts the box it was contained in, was also bloodstained - now if this is true, it begs the question why has this version of events been suppressed for almost 27 years, and what happened to the box that this silencer was found in?

What everyone does not perhaps know, is that a number of key exhibits were given interchangeable exhibit references, for example, starting off with DRB references, that changed into CAE references, (or vice versa) which in turn changed into HAO references - one such exhibit was the bloodstained box that the silencer was found inside of...

[mike tesko]

If blood poured out of the end of the silencer when Boutflour found it in the gun cupboard, why was this crucial evidence kept back from Jeremy's legal team, and from the court which tried Jeremy for these murders? What did Boutflour mean when he said that blood simply poured out of the end of the silencer when he found it in the box? If this is what really did happen, why do the contents of his witness statements tell a different version of events? Did he make his own witness statement or was it made on his behalf by the police, or some other party, for the purpose of concealing this vital information about the blood running out from the end of the silencer he found?

[Nuala]

I have received information recently to the effect that when David Boutflour found the silencer in the gun cupboard, it was inside a cardboard box, and when he picked up the silencer from inside the box, blood started to run out of the end of the silencer. By all accounts the box it was contained in, was also bloodstained - now if this is true, it begs the question why has this version of events been suppressed for almost 27 years, and what happened to the box that this silencer was found in?

David Boutflour tends to exaggerate. Think about what he said in New Evidence film: Sheila didn't have a hair out of place...there was no blood on her.

[mike tesko]

If blood poured out of the end of the silencer when Boutflour found it in the gun cupboard, why was this crucial evidence kept back from Jeremy's legal team, and from the court which tried Jeremy for these murders? What did Boutflour mean when he said that blood simply poured out of the end of the silencer when he found it in the box? If this is what really did happen, why do the contents of his witness statements tell a different version of events? Did he make his own witness statement or was it made on his behalf by the police, or some other party, for the purpose of concealing this vital information about the blood running out from the end of the silencer he found?

Imagine that...

blood literally running out from the end of the silencer he found in the gun cupboard and dripping all over the box it was found inside? This evidence of a box with blood that poured out from inside the silencer at the time Boutflour found it in the gun cupboard would have provided evidence to help identify the source of blood that was originally found or came from inside the silencer. At the moment, we are asked to believe and accept that the only positive blood group activity found that linked the silencer to Sheila, was in the form of a small flake trapped between baffle plates, but if this is not true and all this other blood existed, why has it been withheld and concealed from those who needed to know about it?

[mike tesko]

David Boutflour tends to exaggerate. Think about what he said in New Evidence film: Sheila didn't have a hair out of place...there was no blood on her.

David Boutflour recently told someone that when he found the silencer in the box that blood was quite literally pouring out from the end of the silencer when he picked it up out of the box from inside the gun cupboard, and that the box had blood from inside the silencer all over it. Not only that but he also handed the box and the silencer to his sister (Ann Eaton) who handed the same to the police. Now if all this is true, then it cannot have been the same silencer which peter Eaton handed to DS Jones on evening of 12th August 1985, because according to Boutflour, he gave the bloodstained silencer and box to his sister who handed them over to the police...

We know for example, that Ann Eaton handed over the box inside which the silencer that Boutflour talks about to DC Oakley on 11th September 1985, and since Boutflour has recently revealed that he gave the bloodstained silencer and box to his sister to hand to the police, and that this is what she did do, we have to assume that Ann Eaton handed over the bloodstained silencer, and the bloodstained box it was found in, to the police on 11th September 1985, not any sooner...

[mike tesko]

David Boutflour recently told someone that when he found the silencer in the box that blood was quite literally pouring out from the end of the silencer when he picked it up out of the box from inside the gun cupboard, and that the box had blood from inside the silencer all over it. Not only that but he also handed the box and the silencer to his sister (Ann Eaton) who handed the same to the police. Now if all this is true, then it cannot have been the same silencer which peter Eaton handed to DS Jones on evening of 12th August 1985, because according to Boutflour, he gave the bloodstained silencer and box to his sister who handed them over to the police...

We know for example, that Ann Eaton handed over the box inside which the silencer that Boutflour talks about to DC Oakley on 11th September 1985, and since Boutflour has recently revealed that he gave the bloodstained silencer and box to his sister to hand to the police, and that this is what she did do, we have to assume that Ann Eaton handed over the bloodstained silencer, and the bloodstained box it was found in, to the police on 11th September 1985, not any sooner...

What this must mean, is that all references to a silencer prior to 11th September 1985, must be a reference to the silencer (SBJ/1) found by the police at the scene on 7th August 1985...

[mike tesko]

If Boutflour told the truth recently about the state of the silencer he found and the fact that blood was literally pouring from it, and that this blood contaminated the box inside which the silencer had been found, then police must have arranged for the bloodstained box to be examined at the lab' and the results from the examination of this box, would be vital in helping the court to establish whose blood it belonged to, or originated from? If once this blood in the box had been examined it produced positive blood group activity confirming the blood originated from Sheila, then all well and good, but for some reason this evidence has been suppressed which gives an indication that the blood might not have belonged to Sheila at all, at least not exclusively?

[packagebuilder]

  how can it go from a small flake, to blood gushing out like a tap being turn on? then blood would have dried by the time DB had found it, if did dry then theres more then a flake!

But if the silencer was used there was not struggle between Sheila and Ralph as theres no marks of the silencer on ralph this could mean the silencer was used but shot about 3feet away? then sheila shoots herself in the kitchen, the when police are unstair or some place else, she could of unscrewed it and left it on the kitchen floor & then shot herself again in the bedroom!

But one officer may say the silencer is a trap hazard and return it into the cupboard, but I don't think Essex police is that dumb?