People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom

[jon]

Well I don't believe that it did.

Although, as I've already said, I don't have a plausible explanation for the cause of the marks to Nevills back.

Even if it was a hot poker, as is suggested in the Dickinson Report, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain how the poker got hot. The Dickinson Report suggests it was put in the fire of the Aga, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the Aga is oil fired, there is access to the pilot light and combustion chamber behind the hatch/door on the lower left of the Aga front, but this is then behind another internal glass door.

There were also no fires/stoves lit on the night in question, in which a poker could be heated.

So like the prosecution, I'm at a bit of a loss as to how they occurred, but I am very confident that they didn't get caused by a rifle being heated up simply by leaning against the face of the Aga.

Maybe a lighter was the heat source (ie. like a zippo, or even a plastic disposable one). 

Do you accept that the time involved , whatever way it was heated , is a factor that point's to JB's innocence , however slightly to your mind ? As any would be murderer would not want to be sitting around heating a gun surely ? Why take time to sit around to burn someone , if you have to climb out the window and cycle home after murdering 5 people ?

[jon]

I have always believed a full reconstruction at WHF , would show that it was virtually impossible for JB to carry out these murder's , the reconstruction would include all noise involved , the cycle ride home done by a actor of similar build , the staging of the bodies , ideas of how JB could get SC to lay down , all done in front of counsel , who could ask any question's they found relevant !!

[ngb1066]

Well I don't believe that it did.

Although, as I've already said, I don't have a plausible explanation for the cause of the marks to Nevills back.

Even if it was a hot poker, as is suggested in the Dickinson Report, I'm at a bit of a loss to explain how the poker got hot. The Dickinson Report suggests it was put in the fire of the Aga, but that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, the Aga is oil fired, there is access to the pilot light and combustion chamber behind the hatch/door on the lower left of the Aga front, but this is then behind another internal glass door.
There were also no fires/stoves lit on the night in question, in which a poker could be heated.

So like the prosecution, I'm at a bit of a loss as to how they occurred, but I am very confident that they didn't get caused by a rifle being heated up simply by leaning against the face of the Aga.

Maybe a lighter was the heat source (ie. like a zippo, or even a plastic disposable one). 

Are you sure that the Aga at WHF now is the same one as in 1985?

[Hartley]

Do you accept that the time involved , whatever way it was heated , is a factor that point's to JB's innocence , however slightly to your mind ? As any would be murderer would not want to be sitting around heating a gun surely ? Why take time to sit around to burn someone , if you have to climb out the window and cycle home after murdering 5 people ?

Absolutely not. I don't think it points to anything, guilt or innocence. I think the attempted link to guilt or innocence using the length of time it would have taken to heat up an 'implement' to be absurd.

Why not reverse that and say that it definitely indicates that Sheila did not do it (which would indicate that Jeremy did) as it would be out of character for someone in the throws of a berserk rage? No? I thought not. 

Weird.

[Hartley]

Are you sure that the Aga at WHF now is the same one as in 1985?

Yes it is.

[jon]

Absolutely not. I don't think it points to anything, guilt or innocence. I think the attempted link to guilt or innocence using the length of time it would have taken to heat up an 'implement' to be absurd.

Why not reverse that and say that it definitely indicates that Sheila did not do it (which would indicate that Jeremy did) as it would be out of character for someone in the throws of a berserk rage? No? I thought not. 

Weird.

Surely even to you the burning of somebody is a pointer toward's somebodies mental
health ? SC paranoid schizophrenic , JB not !!

[Hartley]

Surely even to you the burning of somebody is a pointer toward's somebodies mental
health ? SC paranoid schizophrenic , JB not !!

Bloody hell, why didn't you say that 26 and a bit years ago, Jeremy is going to be a bit pi$$ed, he's spent all that time in prison when you had the answer all along. 

[grahameb]

Bloody hell, why didn't you say that 26 and a bit years ago, Jeremy is going to be a bit pi$$ed, he's spent all that time in prison when you had the answer all along. 

Methinks you are being a bit sarky.

[Hartley]

Methinks you are being a bit sarky.

No, really I am not, I don't know one end of a rifle from the other, I really do have no knowledge of guns, sound moderators or telescopic sights, other than what I have obtained from research into this case.

Honestly.

Wrong, thread 

Yes I was being completely sarky. 

[ngb1066]

Yes it is.

Are you absolutely sure?  Have a word with Vic.

[JackiePreece]

Hartley you continue to be unbelievably rude to Jon every time he posts

You are unbelievable especially as Jon is one of the best posters on this forum

Keep it up and I hope you get banned AGAIN

[JackiePreece]

Do you accept that the time involved , whatever way it was heated , is a factor that point's to JB's innocence , however slightly to your mind ? As any would be murderer would not want to be sitting around heating a gun surely ? Why take time to sit around to burn someone , if you have to climb out the window and cycle home after murdering 5 people ?

That is a brilliant post Jon and yours always are.

If someone/Sheila took time to heat something for example a gun to torture Neville after death it definitely makes an argument for Jeremy to be innocent

Jeremy or any hitman would have wanted to have been in and out of WHF in a flash

[Hartley]

Are you absolutely sure?  Have a word with Vic.

Will do.

[Hartley]

Are you absolutely sure?  Have a word with Vic.

Yes it is definitely the same Aga.







However ......... it appears it was converted from coke to oil, so disregard my previous oil based comments.

[jon]

Hartley you continue to be unbelievably rude to Jon every time he posts

You are unbelievable especially as Jon is one of the best posters on this forum

Keep it up and I hope you get banned AGAIN

No Jack , Hartley should never be banned , he help's the Bamber cause no end in my
opinion , the anti Bamber folk would like you to believe , JB killed the children , killed his mother , fought with his father , then got SC to lay down in a position were he could shoot her in the neck / chin region , then sit around heating a poker up to 200 degree's with a disposable lighter , then climb out the window and cycle home across field's with no light on the cycle , all without getting a  mark on him !! All at a time when he thought his girlfriend could keep a secret !!