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Offline Gillian

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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #300 on: April 12, 2012, 01:35:PM »
Thank you all for your comments and I do agree with some of what everyone says. 

Hartley - I know we are on opposite sides of the camp, so to speak, but I do agree that "it would be a bit of a boring world if we all thought the same way" and thank you for your fictional character scenario.  I would like to add at this point I am only a pro-bamber supporter because I believe that the evidence points to innocence but if evidence was ever to be produced that was so compelling that it proved his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt then my opinion would of course change immediately and I would gladly admit that I had been wrong to support a guilty man.  Unfortunately, in my opinion, this evidence has not been produced and therefore I remain a pro-bamber supporter until it does.   :)

Rochford - My secret is out!!! I agree that JB has been tainted in the wider sense and some evidence may have been destroyed but I do think, in my opinion, that there is more very crucial evidence held under PII that would once and for all 'solve' this tragedy and that is why I 100% think that this evidence should be released immediately although I know this is very unlikely to ever happen.  Although I do not agree that any policer officer involved at the time should be given amnesty if they came forward I can understand where you are coming from and if it meant that this was the only way of getting to the truth then this should happen.  I also agree that the family "have suffered a grievous loss, the like of which the average person could not possible comprehend".  I really do sympathise at their loss and cannot begin to comprehend what it is like to lose so many relatives in such an appalling manner especially when the evidence supports another family member being responsible.  :)

Jackie - I totally agree that it is all about integrity and doing the right thing and I would hope if it ever became reality then the family would do exactly that.  I also totally agree that "it would not make up for 27 years in prison branded a child murderer."  A person's life and freedom is priceless.  Based on the evidence that was found by the family and the manner in which it was found, I do, in my opinion, believe that JB was framed and if this is found to be the case then I would hope those involved would be dealt with in the appropriate manner.  This also applies to the police officers etc involved in the case.  :)

Maggie - Thank you for your post.  If JB continues to feel the same if and when he is released then I must say he is a better person than what I would be in his situation.  I would do all I could to make sure justice was done and what was rightfully mine was returned to me whilst I must state making the most of my freedom.  I would hope that I would be able to achieve both with the help of those who had supported me.  :)

There is, of course, also the potential of him earning millions from possible interviews, films, books etc.
 
All of this is of course irrelevant unless the CCRC refer and his conviction is quashed.  The waiting is almost over...   :) :) :)




 


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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #301 on: April 12, 2012, 01:39:PM »
The above reply was up to and including post #286.   :)

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« Reply #302 on: April 12, 2012, 01:40:PM »
The above reply was up to and including post #286.   :)

Very economic.  ;)

And good post.

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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #303 on: April 12, 2012, 01:42:PM »
I get the impression he didn't like it there anyway?

Grahame, you're absolutely spot on. Jeremy informed the executor, basil cox, that the charity wanted him to move out, hence why he was having a massive sell off. Basil was angry that the charity should treat Jeremy in this way. After Jeremy was imprisoned and the farm fell empty, the charity confirmed that no such conversation had taken place. One can only assume that if Jeremy hadn't been imprisoned his plan was not to remain at WHF. When the tenancy came up for renewel Jeremy suprisingly applied from prison to take on the tenancy but this was obviously rejected and Peter and Ann took it on.
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« Reply #304 on: April 12, 2012, 02:32:PM »
Vidvic that's what you have been told and you have no idea if it was true

Like David Boutflour trying to mislead the jury about Sheila and guns

Do you agree
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« Reply #305 on: April 12, 2012, 02:44:PM »
I'll try this argument again, but if it gets personal it ends.

Over the past years you've got to know Jeremy. Over the past years, I've got to know the eatons and the boutflours.

You trust what you're told and I trust what I am told. We are in similar positions, are we not?

Just because I post something which I believe to be true, because my friends tell me this, does not make it rubbish. Before you attack it, why not find out if it is true first.
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #306 on: April 12, 2012, 02:47:PM »
For example;

You have no idea whether Nevill called Jeremy on the night of the murders. Not a clue.
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #307 on: April 12, 2012, 02:49:PM »
Grahame, you're absolutely spot on. Jeremy informed the executor, basil cox, that the charity wanted him to move out, hence why he was having a massive sell off. Basil was angry that the charity should treat Jeremy in this way. After Jeremy was imprisoned and the farm fell empty, the charity confirmed that no such conversation had taken place. One can only assume that if Jeremy hadn't been imprisoned his plan was not to remain at WHF. When the tenancy came up for renewel Jeremy suprisingly applied from prison to take on the tenancy but this was obviously rejected and Peter and Ann took it on.
Yes I can see the logic of occupancy there. If someone didn't move in then the charity was bound to get someone else to occupy it.

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« Reply #308 on: April 12, 2012, 02:58:PM »
Especially as one interested party were a B&B / hotel company specialising in 'murder mystery weekends'. Maybe you can put yourself in that situation and try to understand why they retained the tenancy.

Ann is quite clear though in saying that her overriding emotion to WHF was that June and Nevill loved the place and she wanted to keep it going for them. I don't know if I could have done the same and moved in, but it's very clear talking to Ann how many mixed emotions were involved, even now looking back at their decision.

Anyone who says that Ann is unmoved by the events of 1985 is talking out of their arse.
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #309 on: April 12, 2012, 03:01:PM »
Rubbish Vic and let's use the lampshade as an example
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« Reply #310 on: April 12, 2012, 03:02:PM »
Yes I can see the logic of occupancy there. If someone didn't move in then the charity was bound to get someone else to occupy it.
Yes but the family were aware that WHF was slipping from their grasp. They could not let this happen could they? They would have lost everything. Can someone explain why there was so much in fighting between the family?
Someone made a lot of money from the murders, and it was certainly not Jeremy. How strange the family found ALL the evidence.

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« Reply #311 on: April 12, 2012, 03:04:PM »
Rubbish Vic and let's use the lampshade as an example

Sorry jackie, I genuinely don't follow...what do you mean?
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #312 on: April 12, 2012, 03:05:PM »
Especially as one interested party were a B&B / hotel company specialising in 'murder mystery weekends'. Maybe you can put yourself in that situation and try to understand why they retained the tenancy.

Ann is quite clear though in saying that her overriding emotion to WHF was that June and Nevill loved the place and she wanted to keep it going for them. I don't know if I could have done the same and moved in, but it's very clear talking to Ann how many mixed emotions were involved, even now looking back at their decision.

Anyone who says that Ann is unmoved by the events of 1985 is talking out of their arse.

I've never thought that there was anything sinister in their decision to move in.  However, I am unsure as to whether I would have had the nerves to do so.  I would be on edge about what I would no doubt perceive as the 'vibes' of the place, in the wake of the killings.  For them to have moved in leads me to imagine them as being very strong, practical, no nonsense individuals.
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #313 on: April 12, 2012, 03:05:PM »
For example;

You have no idea whether Nevill called Jeremy on the night of the murders. Not a clue.

Vic try and find out where I have said a phone call definitely happened you won't find it because it can't be proved

Please post the letter from the charity who own WHF it must exist so easily proved
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Re: People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom
« Reply #314 on: April 12, 2012, 03:11:PM »
Yes but the family were aware that WHF was slipping from their grasp. They could not let this happen could they? They would have lost everything. Can someone explain why there was so much in fighting between the family?
Someone made a lot of money from the murders, and it was certainly not Jeremy. How strange the family found ALL the evidence.

How would the bamber farm transferring from Nevill to Jeremy possibly affect the family fortune? The only impact was that Jeremy would have been an equal partner in the caravan park.
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