People Are Playing Games With Jeremys Life and Freedom

[tyler]

A question For NGB.

Have you spoken to Jeremy or Simon since the documentary aired,and if so,do you know whether Jeremy was happy with it.........or not?

[ngb1066]

A question For NGB.

Have you spoken to Jeremy or Simon since the documentary aired,and if so,do you know whether Jeremy was happy with it.........or not?

I spoke to Jeremy the day after the broadcast and again yesterday.  His initial reactions were generally favourable but he appears to have adopted a more critical attitude towards it as a result of discussions with some of those close to him.  I do not want to breach any confidence here but it is fair to say that Jeremy and I had a frank exchange of views on the subject.  He and I do not see eye to eye on it.  I believe that the documentary was professional and effective.  The intention of Mark Williams-Thomas and his producer was to focus on the new evidence and invite viewers to reach their own conclusions.  For balance it was important that the police and family viewpoint was aired.  It was important for it not to be a piece of pro Bamber propaganda.  In 23 minutes broadcast time it simply was not possible to cover all the issues in the case or to challenge Bews, Cook and Boutflour.  I believe the attacks on Mark Williams-Thomas by some of those close to Jeremy are misguided and damage his cause.  I really am quite angry about some of the things I have read.

I have made my views known to Mark Williams-Thomas and to Simon McKay. 

 

   

[grahameb]

I spoke to Jeremy the day after the broadcast and again yesterday.  His initial reactions were generally favourable but he appears to have adopted a more critical attitude towards it as a result of discussions with some of those close to him.  I do not want to breach any confidence here but it is fair to say that Jeremy and I had a frank exchange of views on the subject.  He and I do not see eye to eye on it.  I believe that the documentary was professional and effective.  The intention of Mark Williams-Thomas and his producer was to focus on the new evidence and invite viewers to reach their own conclusions.  For balance it was important that the police and family viewpoint was aired.  It was important for it not to be a piece of pro Bamber propaganda.  In 23 minutes broadcast time it simply was not possible to cover all the issues in the case or to challenge Bews, Cook and Boutflour.  I believe the attacks on Mark Williams-Thomas by some of those close to Jeremy are misguided and damage his cause.  I really am quite angry about some of the things I have read.

I have made my views known to Mark Williams-Thomas and to Simon McKay. 

 

   

Personally I think those from the campaign team are against Mark Willians-Thomas because he didn't approach them? This is a very dangerous stance to take especially if they influence Jeremy by their nefarious attitude. They should be very careful in their communications with him.
At first I was critical of the documentary and to be fair there were one or two things that needed correcting. But after seeing it again I believe that it accomplished what it aimed to do and that was to put this new evidence out into the public eye and also to highlight the case to cause public awareness. The resulting effect is evidence that it did accomplish what it set out to do in spite of its critics.
I feel that I must emphasise that I really do count what the "official" campaign team have done as bordering on the wicked. Where they are perhaps unaware of the potential damage they can do to his chances of an appeal. All because of childish jealousy of one or two people who claim to have Jeremy's best interests at heart. But dig a little deeper and you see that their protestations are all because their noses have been put out of joint.

[ngb1066]

Personally I think those from the campaign team are against Mark Willians-Thomas because he didn't approach them? This is a very dangerous stance to take especially if they influence Jeremy by their nefarious attitude. They should be very careful in their communications with him.
At first I was critical of the documentary and to be fair there were one or two things that needed correcting. But after seeing it again I believe that it accomplished what it aimed to do and that was to put this new evidence out into the public eye and also to highlight the case to cause public awareness. The resulting effect is evidence that it did accomplish what it set out to do in spite of its critics.
I feel that I must emphasise that I really do count what the "official" campaign team have done as bordering on the wicked. Where they are perhaps unaware of the potential damage they can do to his chances of an appeal. All because of childish jealousy of one or two people who claim to have Jeremy's best interests at heart. But dig a little deeper and you see that their protestations are all because their noses have been put out of joint.

Grahame, I am always careful what I say and I avoid attacks on others, but I have to agree with your assessment here.  I have done my best to give the best advice and sometimes this has been listened to, but at other times it has not.

[JackiePreece]

The last interview Simon McKay did where Bob Woofinden was involved there was a general feeling over twitter that the interview was balanced and I believe Simon would only represent in those circumstances.

The people who have been in touch with me and knew nothing at all about the case believe their is something wrong with this case and believe it could be a miscarriage of justice after seeing the documentary

I have only seen one person anywhere say the documentary changed their mind from innocent to guilty and his name is posted here and he has very close to the official campaign team and the only other person who has openly completely mauled the documentary is Poppymeze who has close connections to the campaign team

Jeremys future and fate are in his own hands

If he chooses to listen to people from the official campaign team who openly post on Lambertons site that's up to him

I think it is very much time for Simon to move on now and Jeremy doesn't need him anyway as the official campaign team have openly posted on twitter they have FOUND the evidence to prove Jeremy is innocent

Why did Jeremy ever need a lawyer then?

[petey]

The last interview Simon McKay did where Bob Woofinden was involved there was a general feeling over twitter that the interview was balanced and I believe Simon would only represent in those circumstances.

The people who have been in touch with me and knew nothing at all about the case believe their is something wrong with this case and believe it could be a miscarriage of justice after seeing the documentary

I have only seen one person anywhere say the documentary changed their mind from innocent to guilty and his name is posted here and he has very close to the official campaign team and the only other person who has openly completely mauled the documentary is Poppymeze who has close connections to the campaign team

Jeremys future and fate are in his own hands

If he chooses to listen to people from the official campaign team who openly post on Lambertons site that's up to him

I think it is very much time for Simon to move on now and Jeremy doesn't need him anyway as the official campaign team have openly posted on twitter they have FOUND the evidence to prove Jeremy is innocent

Why did Jeremy ever need a lawyer then?

His future is only in his own hands if he confesses guilt.  If not, it is currently in the hands of the CCRC and then potentially the C of A.

Personally the documentary didn't persuade me from innocent to guilty and I still do believe he is prob innocent. However, after watching the documentary I do believe that his chances of being referred have dimished somewhat.

[tyler]

NGB..............thank you so much for your reply.

I really do think that Simon needs to visit Jeremy again and have a very serious talk with him.In my opinion the campaign team need to be disbanded and a new one set up.All the troublemakers can then be weeded out,so it can be run in a more professional manner.

[tyler]

I personally do not think that Jeremy will get any appeal whilst the CCRC are still running,purely for political reasons.

[Buddy]

I personally do not think that Jeremy will get any appeal whilst the CCRC are still running,purely for political reasons.

Sadly Tyler I think you are correct. I think the CCRC are going through the motions, but have already made their minds up. I would be surprised [ but delighted] if the case is referred.
I must admit that DB came across as someone who was convinced of Jeremy's guilt. On the other hand JM was far from convincing.
One of the things that trouble me is JM was happy to identify the victims when according to her she knew that JB was responsible. One would have thought she would have kept as far away as possible.
Just as an aside I do not believe this was a one killer crime, and remain convinced that at least two persons were involved, with two different types of ammunition, but both .22. this would go some way to explain the different types of injuries that the victims suffered, and why some bullets fragmented, and others did not.
Hollow point, and High velocity bullets behave in different ways.

[Buddy]

Although I know that people suffer from mental breakdowns there is normally a reason that causes it.
Does anyone know what brought on Anthony Pargeters illness.
Can someone explain why JB made AP the manager of WHF in the aftermath of the murders, when it seemed apparent that there was a dislike between the two of them.
I would be very interested how AP managed to gain half of the family fortune, and how he was a witness in the finding of the silencer.
His statements are a little confusing as to where his gun actually was. he states that his gun was usually at WHF but then seems to retract this statement, [strange].
I am probably waffling, but the bee is in the bonnet.

[mertol22]

The last interview Simon McKay did where Bob Woofinden was involved there was a general feeling over twitter that the interview was balanced and I believe Simon would only represent in those circumstances.

The people who have been in touch with me and knew nothing at all about the case believe their is something wrong with this case and believe it could be a miscarriage of justice after seeing the documentary

I have only seen one person anywhere say the documentary changed their mind from innocent to guilty and his name is posted here and he has very close to the official campaign team and the only other person who has openly completely mauled the documentary is Poppymeze who has close connections to the campaign team

Jeremys future and fate are in his own hands

If he chooses to listen to people from the official campaign team who openly post on Lambertons site that's up to him

I think it is very much time for Simon to move on now and Jeremy doesn't need him anyway as the official campaign team have openly posted on twitter they have FOUND the evidence to prove Jeremy is innocent

Why did Jeremy ever need a lawyer then?

Without some form of legal assistance i feel Jeremy has little chance of getting far, we all know where to search for the evidence  its unlikely the campaign have anything concrete if they had jeremy would now be a free man, as to the documentry , i was looking for new fresh evidence of jeremys innocence though the documentry i did feel not show that these tests in the United States are placing in question the very core of the evidence that convicted jeremy in the 1986 trial the silencer issue ,now we have something on the table so to speak.

[nugnug]

whats takeing the crrc so long i thought they would of referred it or rejected the case by now.

[mertol22]

Houston we have a problem ??

[JackiePreece]

I think Hartley, Vidvic and Jeremy probably know the decision by now

[grahameb]

I think Hartley, Vidvic and Jeremy probably know the decision by now

I am tending to think that it is to Jeremy's advantage?