Essex Police's Credibility

[mertol22]

I believe this is one for Mertol, Maggie, he's our resident expert in this field.

Mertol, where are you? We need you!

Hello Keira thank you for your pm, these burn marks are not easy to explain , while trying to establish how they were made and at what point in the events my direction has always been as to why,
though i have seen many deceased people with wounds like this they are all different, the burns look to me post shooting injuries as they look fresher than the rest of the wounds the heat in the kitchen would have speeded up the decomposition quite a bit , much has been said about the state of mind Sheila may have been in that night,there has to be a starting point to when it was showing, i understand the drive up with colin  sheila remained silent, i believe sheils flipped over as much as one word or a few words ,we need to explain this just what was it, i believe some form of plan was made for the twins despite colin  been the father and sheila  flipped.

[maggie]

Thanks Mertol but is there any way you can tell if Ralph was beaten before or after death?

[mertol22]

Thanks Mertol but is there any way you can tell if Ralph was beaten before or after death?

im not sure maggie its worth pointing out there are few pictures of ralph on the forum , the ones taken at the mortuary would provide a better answer, i do know that burn injuries are quick to develop i do not think ralph was alive at the time he suffered the injuries .

[maggie]

im not sure maggie its worth pointing out there are few pictures of ralph on the forum , the ones taken at the mortuary would provide a better answer, i do know that burn injuries are quick to develop i do not think ralph was alive at the time he suffered the injuries .

I hope not Mertol for his sake apart from anything else and it would makr more sense, if Sheila did the shootings she would be totally lost by the time Ralph had died and goodness knows what she was seeing or believing. I do think it's important to acknowledge how very ill she must have been and that she was as much a victim as any of them.

[mertol22]

I hope not Mertol for his sake apart from anything else and it would makr more sense, if Sheila did the shootings she would be totally lost by the time Ralph had died and goodness knows what she was seeing or believing. I do think it's important to acknowledge how very ill she must have been and that she was as much a victim as any of them.

what was sheila silent about on that final drive up to WHF ?

[maggie]

what was sheila silent about on that final drive up to WHF ?

From what I have read about schizophrenia one of the main symptoms is withdrawal from the world.  We know Colin said he had told her he didn't want to get back with her, she was probably mulling that over. I was  wondering if she was showing particular signs of depression, apparently depression is a forerunner of a psychotic event in schizophrenia.  It is noticeable how often it is mentioned iin statements that Sheila was, 'out of it', 'withdrawn', 'shy' etc., all signs of schizophrenia.  She had also had that meting with her natural Mum. Goodness knows what happened there, she was not well enough to have to deal with so much rejection aand pressure. The more you look the more you see the situation that was building.

[maggie]

im not sure maggie its worth pointing out there are few pictures of ralph on the forum , the ones taken at the mortuary would provide a better answer, i do know that burn injuries are quick to develop i do not think ralph was alive at the time he suffered the injuries .

Mertol, do you know why there are so few photos of ralph?

[mertol22]

Mertol, do you know why there are so few photos of ralph?

Likewise the rest of the victims bar Sheila unless mike has others , then these are the only ones i know the rest of course locked away .

[maggie]

Likewise the rest of the victims bar Sheila unless mike has others , then these are the only ones i know the rest of course locked away .

Thanks  Mertol, I haven't actually seen any pics of Ralph but that's fine, I'm not very eager.  I wuld like to mention that it is now 23 years since 96 people died at Hillsborough.  Those who believe in Jeremy Bamber should maybe take comfort from the fact that at last, thanks to the relentless search for the truth, the appallng behaviour of the South Yorkshire police, the Sun, the lies and the cover ups is beginning to leak out.  I suppose the lesson is to never give up hope.

[ngb1066]

Is that with the oven door open or closed Neil, and  do you think that the aga would be that hot in august?

With the oven door open and the end of the rifle barrel placed inside.  The Aga was kept going permanently 24 hours a day even in the summer.  It would certainly have been hot enough.

 

[campion]

 I am not sure how to get this report, a group of American Psychiatrists, Rick Scarnati, Mark A Madray, Alfreda Wise, Henry D Moore Jr, Mark C Schmeider and Matthew L Stephens: Religious Beliefs and Practices Among Most Dangerous Psychiatric Inmates. Forensic Reports Vol 4 pp 1-16 Jan-March 1991.

There does seem to be a link with Religion and Schizophrenia.

[campion]

 Has the note found with the Bible been checked to see if it was possibly a Sigil. For instance to summon the Demon Haagenti it may be written... HAA
                                                                GEN
                                                                TI

 Sheila being well versed in White Witchcraft would have been aware of the importance of one and if she felt possessed by demons probably would have placed a Sigil with her suicide note ! 

[lebaleb]

Let's say Jeremy has killed his mother, Shiela and the twins. He then has a massive struggle with Ralph but manages to kill him. He has to stage manage the scene, wash his wetsuit in the shower and get home to call the police, but he takes the time to heat up some metal object to inflict 3 burns to Ralph's back... I can't believe it somehow.

[campion]

 For convenience, the lettered note DRH/42 had the Letters... NMD
                                                                                                  GD
                                                                                                  BPLU
                                                                                                  CF

[Buddy]

Let's say Jeremy has killed his mother, Shiela and the twins. He then has a massive struggle with Ralph but manages to kill him. He has to stage manage the scene, wash his wetsuit in the shower and get home to call the police, but he takes the time to heat up some metal object to inflict 3 burns to Ralph's back... I can't believe it somehow.

Just asking, as I know nothing about aga's. Is it possibl that at some point Ralph slumped against the aga causing the burns to his back?