Essex Police's Credibility

[Gillian]

Thanks for that everyone.  Here's hoping for good news in the next few weeks. 

[campion]

 This is from the Guidance For CCRC Application

    Some investigation may be necessary on behalf of the convicted defendant before any application is made, possibly including further forensic testing, the obtaining of witness statements and counsel's opinion. If an application is to be made to the CCRC, then the solicitor will be involved in gathering and rationalising the material, preparing a chronology of events, and preparing the submission of any legal arguments required. The solicitor is also likely to need to advise and assist the convicted defendant after the application is submitted to the CCRC by assisting the CCRC with specific queries, making further submissions (if appropriate) arising from material disclosed by the CCRC in the course of the review and investigation, liaising with the CCRC as to its approach and progress and advising the client in relation to any decisions made by the CCRC in the case. It may be necessary for the solicitor to meet the CCRC's representatives on more than one occasion in a complex case.

                                                   ( Specification Part B; Rule 6.4
                                                      of the General Criminal Contract )


                                                    Figures to 31 October 2011

                                                     13,282 cases reviewed
                                                       
                                                           483 Referrals

                                                        Court of Appeal

                                                      Heard 458

                                                      Quashed 320

                                                       Upheld    134

                                                        Reserved   4


   Total applications includes 279 cases transferred from the Home Office when the Commission was set up in 1997. Jeremy Bamber was one of these cases.   

[grahameb]

That's an awful lot of work to get through in a year.

[campion]

 This is a heat test carried out today 14th April 2012 on an Oil Fired Aga. All temperatures are for the outside enamelled front and doors. They were taken with a digital ear thermometer, between 3pm and 4pm.  Aga Front and Door  33.2 C
                                           32.1 C
                                           32.4 C
                                           34.5C

The Aga is black enamel, there is also a silver badge on the front, surprisingly this was hottest part with one recording of 37.8C, the lowest temperature was 35.3C. 
 

[guest7363]

This is a heat test carried out today 14th April 2012 on an Oil Fired Aga. All temperatures are for the outside enamelled front and doors. They were taken with a digital ear thermometer, between 3pm and 4pm.  Aga Front and Door  33.2 C
                                           32.1 C
                                           32.4 C
                                           34.5C

The Aga is black enamel, there is also a silver badge on the front, surprisingly this was hottest part with one recording of 37.8C, the lowest temperature was 35.3C.

Does that make it a range from 90 100 degrees campion

[campion]

 What it is does make it, is remarkable that with so many Police at the scene, nobody did this check, it wasn't difficult to hold a thermometer and record it's results.   

[Nuala]

Does that make it a range from 90 100 degrees campion

Now try placing the end of the barrel in the oven...

[campion]

 You don't need to, just rest the tip of the rifle against the outside of the Aga, the heat would transfer instantly.

[Nuala]

Now try placing the end of the barrel in the oven...

Two hundred degrees Celsius is a mere moderately hot temperature inside a domestic oven or aga.

[Nuala]

Now try placing the end of the barrel in the oven...

The door and chasis of the aga are insulated against heat, aren't they?

[guest7363]

Now try placing the end of the barrel in the oven...

So what you are saying choc having beat her father and shot him she then opened the oven door and held the rifle in and heated it up till it was hot enough, then went back and burnt him to see if he was alive? Opening and keeping the oven door open lets the heat escape by the way thus it would not have reached enough temperature in my view?

[Nuala]

So what you are saying choc having beat her father and shot him she then opened the oven door and held the rifle in and heated it up till it was hot enough, then went back and burnt him to see if he was alive? Opening and keeping the oven door open lets the heat escape by the way thus it would not have reached enough temperature in my view?

Only a man would make that claim - sorry, more sexism  I believe you could heat the end of a rifle's barrel to 200 c by opening the door of an aga that is heated to its maximum temperature, placing the end of the barrel inside and part closing the door. Test it and see.

We're only talking of a moderate temperature: gas mark 7!

[Nuala]

So what you are saying choc having beat her father

No need to be so incredulous, I'm just 5' tall, but I could beat the living daylights out of you, even if you're 6'3 and twice my weight and muscle power...if I first shot you.


Of course, I would never do this because, in common with Jeremy Bamber, I'm neither a brutalised, murderous type, nor am I severely psychotic.

[campion]

37.8C is 100.4 Fahrenheit. Generally a temperature of approx 140 F burns skin. This means a temperature as low 130 F can burn skin after 20 seconds. 

[guest7363]

Only a man would make that claim - sorry, more sexism  I believe you could heat the end of a rifle's barrel to 200 c by opening the door of an aga that is heated to its maximum temperature, placing the end of the barrel inside and part closing the door. Test it and see.

We're only talking of a moderate temperature: gas mark 7!

I dont no choc, i accept that the gun in question had a thinner barrel which would heat up quicker but i dont think the aga oven or leaning against it would do it?