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Offline mike tesko

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Diary Entries of a Conspirator...
« on: February 05, 2011, 02:17:PM »
Diary Entries of a Conspirator

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"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2011, 02:55:PM »
I'm still reading it.  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2011, 03:20:PM »
Yes, I read it on the sleuthing site... interesting document for sure. At times it doesn't paint JB in a very good light but at other times it mentions JB in an almost indifferent way... certainly not scorn every time JB's name is mentioned.

There's an interesting section where he/family mention that he will get through the inheritance in no time at all with his life style. I read that Boutflour admitted that he had inherited a lot after JB went to prison... but he's spent it all, wasted it.
Seems he didn't do a much better job than that he expected of Jeremy.

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2011, 03:21:PM »
It also reads as if he was a more a "i'm a nosey neighbour" type and that he would contact and befriend the police at the earliest opertunity.

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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2011, 03:35:PM »
I'm going to comment as I read each page.  ;D

Jeremy didn't make friends because people called him "the bastard"? What nonsense. Some might have but others wouldn't care if he was adopted or not - why would they?

So he didn't associate much with his cousins. So what? Were they not a bit older than him anyway?

He didn't go to the Young Farmers club. So what? Maybe he didn't like it.

He refused to work on the farm and worked at a Little Chef instead? So what? Maybe he wasn't interested in farming much.

He hated his mother because he thought she'd dropped him on his head when he was a baby? Lots of people think that - they don't hate their mothers for it!

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2011, 03:40:PM »
I'm going to comment as I read each page.  ;D

Jeremy didn't make friends because people called him "the bastard"? What nonsense. Some might have but others wouldn't care if he was adopted or not - why would they?

So he didn't associate much with his cousins. So what? Were they not a bit older than him anyway?

He didn't go to the Young Farmers club. So what? Maybe he didn't like it.

He refused to work on the farm and worked at a Little Chef instead? So what? Maybe he wasn't interested in farming much.

He hated his mother because he thought she'd dropped him on his head when he was a baby? Lots of people think that - they don't hate their mothers for it!


Do we know if this was a daily diary or just his summing up of the events leading up to and after. Was it typed on request from a hand written diary or did Boutflour type it?

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« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2011, 03:41:PM »
I'm going to comment as I read each page.  ;D

Jeremy didn't make friends because people called him "the bastard"? What nonsense. Some might have but others wouldn't care if he was adopted or not - why would they?

So he didn't associate much with his cousins. So what? Were they not a bit older than him anyway?

He didn't go to the Young Farmers club. So what? Maybe he didn't like it.

He refused to work on the farm and worked at a Little Chef instead? So what? Maybe he wasn't interested in farming much.

He hated his mother because he thought she'd dropped him on his head when he was a baby? Lots of people think that - they don't hate their mothers for it!


Do we know if this was a daily diary or just his summing up of the events leading up to and after. Was it typed on request from a hand written diary or did Boutflour type it?

I don't know anyone who types a diary every day, but I don't know really.

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« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2011, 03:53:PM »
Comments re page 2.

Jeremy shared a flat with some chaps who may or not have been gay. Don't see the relevance of that at the moment.

So Jeremy decided to work on the farm when he came back from New Zealand, but he was a bit slapdash and not very keen. So what? Lots of people have jobs they're not keen on and they try to get out of doing loads of work.

A house was found for him in Goldhanger - presumably he didn't want to live at home - that's normal.

Robert Boutflour discussed the possibility of arming themselves and possibly shooting intruders at the camp site. It's interesting that he considered that - I suppose it shows that guns were just a way of life for that family in general.

Jeremy remarked that he could easily shoot his parents. I don't read much into that as it appears he was merely saying that he had no problem in shooting people in general, and he used his parents as an example. It wasn't a very nice thing to say but it doesn't mean a great deal.

Neville made the scullery into an office - I'm still wondering about that one.

Jeremy was envious of others who he perceived had more money, especially his sister. Possibly, but is that a motive for murder?

Jeremy stole money from the camp site. We know that don't we? Does it mean he's a murderer though?

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2011, 03:55:PM »
I'm going to comment as I read each page.  ;D

Jeremy didn't make friends because people called him "the bastard"? What nonsense. Some might have but others wouldn't care if he was adopted or not - why would they?

So he didn't associate much with his cousins. So what? Were they not a bit older than him anyway?

He didn't go to the Young Farmers club. So what? Maybe he didn't like it.

He refused to work on the farm and worked at a Little Chef instead? So what? Maybe he wasn't interested in farming much.

He hated his mother because he thought she'd dropped him on his head when he was a baby? Lots of people think that - they don't hate their mothers for it!


Do we know if this was a daily diary or just his summing up of the events leading up to and after. Was it typed on request from a hand written diary or did Boutflour type it?

I don't know anyone who types a diary every day, but I don't know really.

Me neither but I know loads that write one each day. I was just wondering if its a type version of a daily diary which you would like to believe entries would be fresher or a typed out diary from memory.

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2011, 04:08:PM »
I'm going to comment as I read each page.  ;D

Jeremy didn't make friends because people called him "the bastard"? What nonsense. Some might have but others wouldn't care if he was adopted or not - why would they?

So he didn't associate much with his cousins. So what? Were they not a bit older than him anyway?

He didn't go to the Young Farmers club. So what? Maybe he didn't like it.

He refused to work on the farm and worked at a Little Chef instead? So what? Maybe he wasn't interested in farming much.

He hated his mother because he thought she'd dropped him on his head when he was a baby? Lots of people think that - they don't hate their mothers for it!


Do we know if this was a daily diary or just his summing up of the events leading up to and after. Was it typed on request from a hand written diary or did Boutflour type it?

I don't know anyone who types a diary every day, but I don't know really.

Me neither but I know loads that write one each day. I was just wondering if its a type version of a daily diary which you would like to believe entries would be fresher or a typed out diary from memory.

I would think that he wrote out his thoughts and then typed them - or someone else typed them, but I'm not sure.

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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2011, 04:15:PM »
you are right kaldin, the things mentioned in the diary are neither here nor there.the author of the diary seems jealous at the fact that jeremy would be a wealthy man.

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« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2011, 04:28:PM »
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Well Robert certainly has some imagination. Nothing wrong with that of course but he's trying very hard.

I see he raises the possibility of a second magazine. That has occurred to me as well as it would be risky to rely on 10 bullets for a whole family.

He says Jeremy might have got Sheila to load the magazine and ensure her fingerprints were on the bullets. I don't think fingerprints were found on the bullets were they?

On 11th August, it occurred to him that the mantlepiece was hit in the struggle. Had he seen the marks on the mantlepiece at that stage? If so, that destroys the theory that they weren't there until much later.

He refers to a sleeping draught given to Sheila. I don't think that happened, so how did Jeremy get her to lie down in her parent's room? Also, why would he need Sheila to go to the main bedroom? He could just shoot her in her own bedroom.

He says that Jeremy got Sheila to bring her Bible. The Bible was Junes was it not? It was kept in the bedside cabinet I think.

What's this cardboard cylinder he refers to, and how could a toy gun be used to remove "absorbent tissue"?

He thinks a tampon is used to clean the silencer. That's possible but there would have been cotton fibres in it. Also, if Jeremy was aware that the silencer needed to be cleaned he would have done it much better and not left blood and paint on the outside. Furthermore, he would probably have taken the silencer away with him.

A wet suit? Whatever next?  ;D

The bicyle - it was there when Julie was at Jeremy's house the weekend before the murders.

So Jeremy dyed his hair - I think he did that the weekend before the murders too. I don't see the relevance of that.

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« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 04:45:PM »
sheila hadnt slept in her bed that night, apparently theres no evidence to suggest she did.in colin caffells book he states that a  detective told him the bible was found NEAR sheilas body.but as we know the bible was actually resting against her arm.if thats true then that would back up what pc adams said about the bible and sheila being in a different position from when he saw them.

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« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 04:56:PM »
sorry. not adams, it was collins and delgado.

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« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2011, 05:10:PM »
sheila hadnt slept in her bed that night, apparently theres no evidence to suggest she did.in colin caffells book he states that a  detective told him the bible was found NEAR sheilas body.but as we know the bible was actually resting against her arm.if thats true then that would back up what pc adams said about the bible and sheila being in a different position from when he saw them.

There is actually - I read a document which says that one of the beds in Sheila's room had been used.