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Newbury1

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Well...

I have stated that is what I have seen, and there is evidence that her heavily bloodstained panties were found in a bucket of water in the kitchen, but I was not at the scene, and I did not witness these things at the scene...

I have not stated you were at the scene, and I accept you were not at the scene; and you have agreed that you have stated that you have seen a picture of Sheila dead on the bed wearing no knickers.

Also to note not being at the scene certainly does not hold us back from commenting on the case - that's for sure!

Do you know Mike (or anyone) if there is any other (official) reference to Sheila not wearing any knickers when found - or do we only have your (Mikes) reference to this?

My point here, as referred to earlier, is that in order to support altruistic suicide it would make more sense to me if Sheila was wearing clean knickers if she killed herself!


 
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Which bodies were found in the kitchen by police upon entry?

Mike, the boy'es bdroom was next to June and Ralph's bedroom. If Sheila decided to kill herself and therefore to take her boys with her as many mothers/fathers do when the 'balance of their minds is disturbed' or June for similar reason. Although the sound would only be like a handclap surely people who were used to guns would recognise the sound, especially from the otherside of a bedroom wall Maybe Sheila did not plan to kill anyone but herself and her boys but was discovered before she killed herself which then set off a series of events, with one gun or two or whatever.

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Mike, the boy'es bdroom was next to June and Ralph's bedroom. If Sheila decided to kill herself and therefore to take her boys with her as many mothers/fathers do when the 'balance of their minds is disturbed' or June for similar reason. Although the sound would only be like a handclap surely people who were used to guns would recognise the sound, especially from the otherside of a bedroom wall Maybe Sheila did not plan to kill anyone but herself and her boys but was discovered before she killed herself which then set off a series of events, with one gun or two or whatever.

Maggie that is a very interesting suggestion.

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If Shelia had used two .22 rifles using .22 hollow tipped bullets, when it was 4 murders and a suicide, the two guns imo would have been recovered by EP at the time!

As for the altruistic washing problem.

If, again imo, Shelia had shot them all, washed herself, did her nails etc. before killing herself, she would also have put on a clean pair of knickers - and according to Mike she was not wearing any when found.
No no. I meant that she would have loaded the guns and prepared things BEFORE she washed and then washed and manicured her nails then committed the crime. Quite feasible.

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[quote ="Nick"]....she would also have put on a clean pair of knickers - and according to Mike she was not wearing any when found.
[/quote]There would be the same question if all this had not happened. There will still be questions regarding why she was not wearing underwhere anyway, especially as she was during her monthly?

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No no. I meant that she would have loaded the guns and prepared things BEFORE she washed and then washed and manicured her nails then committed the crime. Quite feasible.

I am interested in the possibilty of the two Pargetter magazines being used.  Although these were used with the Brno bolt action rifle I believe they would also fit the Anschutz rifle.  If all three magazines were used a total of 25 rounds would have been available, with a possible additional round in the breach. 


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I am interested in the possibilty of the two Pargetter magazines being used.  Although these were used with the Brno bolt action rifle I believe they would also fit the Anschutz rifle.  If all three magazines were used a total of 25 rounds would have been available, with a possible additional round in the breach.

Pargitter said  he had taken his gun away from the farm that weekend which was strange because he always left it there and using his magazines would, I presume, make it much easier yo load and fire the rifle?
There is something about the Pargitter rifle which does not ring true.

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I think it may have been Nick who stated earlier that if it was a two gun crime then EP would have taken two guns away from the scene.Neil Davidson in his COLP interview as good as tells us that there was a second weapon that they were interested in.He stated that a weapon was found with red paint upon its BARREL and this is why samples were taken of paint from the mantle.
What I would like to know is what the secrecy regarding the downstairs loo is all about?There seemed to much interest taken in that room.What did EP find there that they have never disclosed?

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We know that EP took away more than one gun from the crime scene, they took at least two, possibly three at the beginning of the investigation, and a shotgun later on...
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Five of the bullet cases had double magazine markings on them, which suggested to the ballistics expert, that these five bullets had been loaded once into the magazine of a gun, removed and reloaded again? It was not possible to say if these five bullets had been placed into the same ammunition magazine or a different one before being removed and fired via the Bamber owned Anshulz rifle?

Could these five bullets have been loaded into the magazine of the second weapon, and for some reason or another taken out and reloaded into the magazine of the Bamber gun and subsequently fired?
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Offline mike tesko

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As I have previously pointed out, the shape and position of the arms and hands of both June Bamber and Sheila Caffell, suggest that they both had possession of a gun shortly before they both died...
« Last Edit: March 23, 2012, 09:40:PM by mike tesko »
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I have not stated you were at the scene, and I accept you were not at the scene; and you have agreed that you have stated that you have seen a picture of Sheila dead on the bed wearing no knickers.

Also to note not being at the scene certainly does not hold us back from commenting on the case - that's for sure!

Do you know Mike (or anyone) if there is any other (official) reference to Sheila not wearing any knickers when found - or do we only have your (Mikes) reference to this?

My point here, as referred to earlier, is that in order to support altruistic suicide it would make more sense to me if Sheila was wearing clean knickers if she killed herself!

As Shocking as it appeared to see the photograph of Sheila on the bed, when I visited Ewen smiths office in Birmingham at the beginning of 2004, it was even more disturbing to note that she was not wearing panties. If she had been wearing panties at the time of her death, or even when she was found by police once they got into the farmhouse, why would anyone want to take off or remove panties from the body of a good looking dead woman? If police removed them, why? What did the police need to do that for? What happened to any clean panties she might have had on, and if they were removed by police, what exhibit reference were given to this elusive pair of clean panties? I personally do not think she put on a clean pair of panties once she had taken off her other heavily sanitised pair in the kitchen. Linked to the discovery of Sheila`s heavily bloodstained panties having been found soaking in a bucket of water in the kitchen, was the discovery of an empty tampon holder in one of the other downstairs rooms, and a box of 9 tampons upstairs in her bedroom? Sheila appears to have opened a full box of tampons upstairs in her bedroom, removed a tampon from the box and gone downstairs to put her bloodstained panties into soak in a bucket in the kitchen. The exact sequence of what she did and when she did these things can only be speculated on, but at some stage one assumes that she paid a visit to the downstairs toilet with a view to cleaning herself up, and that she went into the solitude of the lounge during the middle of the night and inserted a tampon. I do not profess to know when she undertook these activities, but it seems to me that if she was the shooter, and she intended to kill herself, then there must have been very time elapsed between her performing these activities, and her dying, and this would help to explain why she was wearing no panties when police found her body. Her possible use of the downstairs toilet during the middle of the night to clean herself up,  would also of course put her in the very same room where Anthony Pargeter kept his .22 bolt action rifle, silencer and ammunitions. This of course could help to explain how two different weapons,  and a variety of different .22 ammunition could have been and possibly was used in the shootings...
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Photograph published in National Newspaper showing fresh looking blood pouring, leaking and running from wounds on Sheila's neck (photograph not taken until after 10am, that morning:-
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If this photograph was not taken until after 10am, and if the new pathologists report is accurate in stating that Sheila could not have been shot and killed any longer or sooner than two hours before the taking of the said photograph, then of course Jeremy could not possibly have been responsible for shooting his sister and killing her, nor could he be responsible for stage managing her death in the bedroom, as a suicide..

It's as simple as that...
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If this photograph was not taken until after 10am, and if the new pathologists report is accurate in stating that Sheila could not have been shot and killed any longer or sooner than two hours before the taking of the said photograph, then of course Jeremy could not possibly have been responsible for shooting his sister and killing her, nor could he be responsible for stage managing her death in the bedroom, as a suicide..

It's as simple as that...

Police or prosecution have not yet explained how blood could be running so freely from the wounds on Sheila's neck at such a late stage in proceedings, and how this could mean anything other than Jeremy is innocent and that he did not shoot his sister dead in the bedroom...
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