The (Andrew Hunter) Book draft, that never got published from seven years ago...

[mike tesko]

How many of the jury members were freemasons who may have had inside knowledge or information about the investigation from colleagues of theirs?

Was / is there a conspiracy?

[mike tesko]

This is what the court was told about the state of play when the matter fell to be considered, according to Andrew Hunter, MP, at Chelmsford Crown court, in October 1986:-

[mike tesko]

Was / is Jeremy Bamber guilty?

Me thinks not...

[Newbury1]

Nick , have you read this , if so any comment's ?

Hi jon, I have not read it all yet as it is quite lengthy.

What I have read is very intersting and as you put it fascinating.

There are many aspects to this case that support JB, but, as with David Shaw and Mike Tesko's numerous supportive post's there is not that nugget that makes this case a clear cut MOJ.

I will be watching (certainly recording) the documentary on 29 March, and waiting with baited breath the decision of the CCRC.

I have no problem accepting the CCRC's decision either way!

I may comment further on the AH works when I've finished reading it.






   

[jon]

Hi jon, I have not read it all yet as it is quite lengthy.

What I have read is very intersting and as you put it fascinating.

There are many aspects to this case that support JB, but, as with David Shaw and Mike Tesko's numerous supportive post's there is not that nugget that makes this case a clear cut MOJ.

I will be watching (certainly recording) the documentary on 29 March, and waiting with baited breath the decision of the CCRC
I have no problem accepting the CCRC's decision either way!

I may comment further on the AH works when I've finished reading it.






   

Cheers !!

[jon]

Nick , would you believe JB innocent , if it was shown , this was a two gun crime ?

[Newbury1]

Nick , would you believe JB innocent , if it was shown , this was a two gun crime ?

Jon, no.

This is based on my belief that for either JB (or Sheila) to have carried out the murders using one gun and loading twice has always been difficult point to fathom (more so imo for Sheila). Loading the magazine is fiddly and takes time - consider each bullet has to be picked up and individually inserted in to a narrow slot - this would, again imo, take some nerve.

If however a two gun position is considered, this imo would suit JB doing it (either alone or with someone).

If JB did it alone, having two guns handy with preloaded magazines would be more efficient.

If JB did it with someone else each using a gun - again more efficient.

I cannot see Sheila using two preloaded guns!

Jon, do you believe a two gun scenario would help prove JB innocent, and if so, could you please explain why?
 

[jon]

Jon, no.

This is based on my belief that for either JB (or Sheila) to have carried out the murders using one gun and loading twice has always been difficult point to fathom (more so imo for Sheila). Loading the magazine is fiddly and takes time - consider each bullet has to be picked up and individually inserted in to a narrow slot - this would, again imo, take some nerve.

If however a two gun position is considered, this imo would suit JB doing it (either alone or with someone).

If JB did it alone, having two guns handy with preloaded magazines would be more efficient.

If JB did it with someone else each using a gun - again more efficient.

I cannot see Sheila using two preloaded guns!

Jon, do you believe a two gun scenario would help prove JB innocent, and if so, could you please explain why?
 

If there were two sized holes in the victim's , as claimed by Hunter , and there was never any proof provided by EP , that two gun's were used , it begs the question who fired the two gun's ? Now add all of this to all the difficulties JB as faced trying to get withheld evidence released , it tells me something happened that night after EP entered the farm !!

[Newbury1]

If there were two sized holes in the victim's , as claimed by Hunter , and there was never any proof provided by EP , that two gun's were used , it begs the question who fired the two gun's ? Now add all of this to all the difficulties JB as faced trying to get withheld evidence released , it tells me something happened that night after EP entered the farm !!

Fair point, and and if two guns were used a question that needs an answer - who will give it?

And why again, with such entry wound anomalies, did Rivlin not pick this up (as the entry wound sizes were I believe available to him at the time of trial).

I wonder if a hollow tip bullet could distort in fight, or on immediate impact, and make bigger entry wounds? - ngb!

Maybe some of the bullets used were faulty (e.g the fragmented bullet xrayed in Sheilas throat - and then made whole - definitely something wrong with that bullet  )

[mike tesko]

Odd how only Ralph, and June Bamber, had the 1/2 inch diameter, bullet entry wounds?

[grahameb]

Jon, no.

This is based on my belief that for either JB (or Sheila) to have carried out the murders using one gun and loading twice has always been difficult point to fathom (more so imo for Sheila). Loading the magazine is fiddly and takes time - consider each bullet has to be picked up and individually inserted in to a narrow slot - this would, again imo, take some nerve.

If however a two gun position is considered, this imo would suit JB doing it (either alone or with someone).

If JB did it alone, having two guns handy with preloaded magazines would be more efficient.

If JB did it with someone else each using a gun - again more efficient.

I cannot see Sheila using two preloaded guns!

Jon, do you believe a two gun scenario would help prove JB innocent, and if so, could you please explain why?
 

I look at it rather differently myself. If two guns were used it would go a long way towards showing that Sheila did it premeditatedly? In that it looks very much as if her bed was not slept in. Therefore she could have had a lot of time preparing what she would do and one of those things would be to have two loaded guns so that she would not have to hastily load one of them a second time. Of course the same rules could be applied to Jeremy?
But this would explain the lack of residue on her hands and the unbroken nails. Because it would give her the added time after she loaded the guns and planned her tactics to shower and put on her makeup and do her nails in order to look her best.
My father in law was in the Thames River Police for a while and had to deal with suicides. He would describe one woman who had drowned herself and being immaculately dressed with all her clothes spotlessly clean. So I for one can see where Sheila could have easily done it.

[mike tesko]

Odd how only Ralph, and June Bamber, had the 1/2 inch diameter, bullet entry wounds?

There were three bullet entry sized holes found upon the bodies of victims, (1) - 3/16ths, (2) - 1/4, and (3) - 1/2 inch in diameter

[mike tesko]

Which bodies were found in the kitchen by police upon entry?

[mike tesko]

The fact that the bodies of Ralph and June were / are the only ones which have 1/2 inch diameter wounds found upon them, could be evidence that it was June's body the police found downstairs, not Sheila's?

[mike tesko]

The fact that the bodies of Ralph and June were / are the only ones which have 1/2 inch diameter wounds found upon them, could be evidence that it was June's body the police found downstairs, not Sheila's?

But if true, why was /would June Bambers death be described as a suicide, by 7:45am?