The (Andrew Hunter) Book draft, that never got published from seven years ago...

[Jane]

This is the Andrew Hunter Book Draft thread in which the silencer mark on Sheila's neck is mentioned,it having been noted by two gun enthusiasts in Ewen Smith's Birmingham office some ten years ago. I'm afraid this has to be explained away however much the Defence is squirming on this issue,and to my mind as to many others Mike's assertion that the Police shot Sheila with a Police-issue silencer is incredible.

Can you explain why the hand written autopsy repost states clearly that Sheila's hands were blood stained but the typed report says they were clean?

[Steve_uk]

Can you explain why the hand written autopsy repost states clearly that Sheila's hands were blood stained but the typed report says they were clean?

I don't know but we've been over this with Caroline.Some of the blood after the first shot got transferred to Sheila's hands after she instinctively tried to staunch the wound.Maybe the swabbing removed the remainder.

[Jane]

I don't know but we've been over this with Caroline.Some of the blood after the first shot got transferred to Sheila's hands after she instinctively tried to staunch the wound.Maybe the swabbing removed the remainder.

But putting up a hand to a wound would have been just ONE hand. The written report says "handS".

[maggie]

But putting up a hand to a wound would have been just ONE hand. The written report says "handS".

Exactly April. Also surely the proof of manipulation of facts and alteration of a statement from original hand written to final typed copy presented at court must encourage people to wonder if it happened on this occasion how many other times were documents and statements altered.  The final typed document from Vanezis original handwritten statement
changed the scenario and was misleading to the jury. The fact that Sheila's hands were free of blood or anything else was simply not true.

[Jane]

Exactly April. Also surely the proof of manipulation of facts and alteration of a statement from original hand written to final typed copy presented at court must encourage people to wonder if it happened on this occasion how many other times were documents and statements altered.  The final typed document from Vanezis original handwritten statement
changed the scenario and was misleading to the jury. The fact that Sheila's hands were free of blood or anything else was simply not true.

Maggie, there's something here which puzzles me. If this was ANY other crime -and I'm leaving out the Bamber name AND that I believe the foundations of this case to be FAMILY jealousy and greed-  and the guilties were presented with the long list of anomalies attached to it, cock ups by the police, alterations to legal documents, evidence discovered and subsequently tossed around before it ever reaches the hands of the police, and several people standing to benefit enormously from a conviction, I'm perfectly convinced that all but one would smell a rat.

[maggie]

Maggie, there's something here which puzzles me. If this was ANY other crime -and I'm leaving out the Bamber name AND that I believe the foundations of this case to be FAMILY jealousy and greed-  and the guilties were presented with the long list of anomalies attached to it, cock ups by the police, alterations to legal documents, evidence discovered and subsequently tossed around before it ever reaches the hands of the police, and several people standing to benefit enormously from a conviction, I'm perfectly convinced that all but one would smell a rat.

So am I April, surely at least, a wobble and a wonder?

[gringo]

Why would Jeremy taunt detectives that some windows at White House may have been secure and some insecure after five members of his family had just been killed? How did Julie come up with the idea of anyone entering and leaving by this means if not by Jeremy speculating out loud that this was possible?

How is this taunting ? I think Julie would have been able to work out herself how to get into a locked house through a window . It isn't rocket science .
    What you offer as arguments in favour of JB's guilt are nothing of the sort . Even if Julie did come up with the idea from Jeremy then how does it then follow that Jeremy is guilty .
    Julie also came up with the idea of a hitman and of drugging everyone and burning down the house .
   

[Jane]

How is this taunting ? I think Julie would have been able to work out herself how to get into a locked house through a window . It isn't rocket science .
    What you offer as arguments in favour of JB's guilt are nothing of the sort . Even if Julie did come up with the idea from Jeremy then how does it then follow that Jeremy is guilty .
    Julie also came up with the idea of a hitman and of drugging everyone and burning down the house .
   

Gringo hello. According to Steve, OR imo, when he has no other explanation, Jeremy TAUNTS

[gringo]

This is the Andrew Hunter Book Draft thread in which the silencer mark on Sheila's neck is mentioned,it having been noted by two gun enthusiasts in Ewen Smith's Birmingham office some ten years ago. I'm afraid this has to be explained away however much the Defence is squirming on this issue,and to my mind as to many others Mike's assertion that the Police shot Sheila with a Police-issue silencer is incredible.

It has to be explained by the prosecution not the defence . The prosecution claims that the silencer could not be replaced in the cupboard because the fatal shot was a contact shot therefore meaning Sheila could not have replaced it . It was the non fatal shot that was a contact shot though so Sheila could in this scenario have replaced it .
      However , this only needs to be explained if the claims of the finding of the silencer are true .
     Do you honestly believe that the silencer evidence and trail of handling of said silencer/s is credible ?
     
     

[JackAll]

The question that really needs to be answered is why was the silencer / moderator fitted when the unsilenced rifle would never have been heard from outside the house; while inside,  if it was silenced, the clash of the auto breech bolt would have been just as loud as a .22 gunshot to those inside.

[Jane]

The question that really needs to be answered is why was the silencer / moderator fitted when the unsilenced rifle would never have been heard from outside the house; while inside,  if it was silenced, the clash of the auto breech bolt would have been just as loud as a .22 gunshot to those inside.

Not being gun literate, I couldn't give a concise answer, however, I have ALWAYS questioned the need for it's use in solid house, standing within it's own grounds, situated in a little used lane and well removed from other houses.

[Caroline R]

It has to be explained by the prosecution not the defence . The prosecution claims that the silencer could not be replaced in the cupboard because the fatal shot was a contact shot therefore meaning Sheila could not have replaced it . It was the non fatal shot that was a contact shot though so Sheila could in this scenario have replaced it .
      However , this only needs to be explained if the claims of the finding of the silencer are true .
     Do you honestly believe that the silencer evidence and trail of handling of said silencer/s is credible ?
     
     

Not in the slightest!!

[grahameb]

The question that really needs to be answered is why was the silencer / moderator fitted when the unsilenced rifle would never have been heard from outside the house; while inside,  if it was silenced, the clash of the auto breech bolt would have been just as loud as a .22 gunshot to those inside.

That's why I think the silencer is just a red herring. It never was used in my opinion?

[Caroline R]

I don't know but we've been over this with Caroline.Some of the blood after the first shot got transferred to Sheila's hands after she instinctively tried to staunch the wound.Maybe the swabbing removed the remainder.

Yes we have been over this with me and you keep missing the point. WHY would Vanezis change what he had written in his original notes from hand'S' WERE bloodstained to hands WEREN'T bloodstained??

[nugnug]

it could possibly have just been a mistake the to words are easy to get mixed up.