The (Andrew Hunter) Book draft, that never got published from seven years ago...

[JackAll]

Has anyone on this forum ever tried reloading a .22 10 round magazine in a hurry?

Slippery little b*****ds are .22 rounds, covered in lead powder and grease..........

First you have to eject the magazine, then you have to open the box of bullets, and feed them in one by one....Slow or what........if anyone thinks they can do it quickly, they had better report to Hereford.

Then you have to refit the magazine, and draw back the breech bolt to insert the first round into the breech and cock the gun........

25 / 26 shots fired............OK..............so who loaded the magazine two or three times?

Was it a silly psychotic girl or someone that didn't have any evidence of lead powder on them at all? (or any spare magazines)

Jack

PS.......A .22 round is anything between .21 and .25...........

[grahameb]

What in that exchange suggests your conclusion Steve .
     It seems to me that you look only for signs of guilt and ignore anything contrary to that opinion .
    For instance where Jeremy answers "I don't think so " and then says that this" is another way of saying no " when asked again , I don't see this as evasive .
   The questioning was so witless that it would be understandable to answer "I don't think so" in a tone showing contempt for the stupid questions .
   Why ask Jeremy how Julie would do something ?
   And ambiguity is surely a legitimate response to ambiguous questions .
   It can be read anyway you like and is not really suggestive of anything . You cannot really be advancing this as a serious argument towards JB's guilt .

Personally I cannot see anything in that questioning that suggests Jeremy's guilt. Also if indeed the window was "secure" when shut I can't see that it could be "insecure". The question still remains, how did Jeremy get in if he were the murderer. The prosecution never ever did prove that Jeremy got into the house via the window. To my mind it was not enough for the court to believe that he "could" get in via one of the many windows. That to my mind is a silly assumption and should never have been entered into the court records.

[nugnug]

the court records are full of sily assumptions wich there are no evidence for.

[grahameb]

Has anyone on this forum ever tried reloading a .22 10 round magazine in a hurry?

Slippery little b*****ds are .22 rounds, covered in lead powder and grease..........

First you have to eject the magazine, then you have to open the box of bullets, and feed them in one by one....Slow or what........if anyone thinks they can do it quickly, they had better report to Hereford.

Then you have to refit the magazine, and draw back the breech bolt to insert the first round into the breech and cock the gun........

25 / 26 shots fired............OK..............so who loaded the magazine two or three times?

Was it a silly psychotic girl or someone that didn't have any evidence of lead powder on them at all? (or any spare magazines)

Jack

Sheila didn't have to fill up the magazine. She could have loaded the rifle one by one. It has never been demonstrated that anyone reloaded the magazine to full capacity. Neither did she have to fight Ralph. One bullet could have incapacitated him if hit in the right place. In fact the gun didn't have to be reloaded very quickly at all.

[Steve_uk]

What in that exchange suggests your conclusion Steve .
     It seems to me that you look only for signs of guilt and ignore anything contrary to that opinion .
    For instance where Jeremy answers "I don't think so " and then says that this" is another way of saying no " when asked again , I don't see this as evasive .
   The questioning was so witless that it would be understandable to answer "I don't think so" in a tone showing contempt for the stupid questions .
   Why ask Jeremy how Julie would do something ?
   And ambiguity is surely a legitimate response to ambiguous questions .
   It can be read anyway you like and is not really suggestive of anything . You cannot really be advancing this as a serious argument towards JB's guilt .

The secure windows insecure windows remark rings alarm bells. Of course he's not going to admit that a window could be banged back into position,but he had entered and exited by just such a means at least once since the murders.

[maggie]

The secure windows insecure windows remark rings alarm bells. Of course he's not going to admit that a window could be banged back into position,but he had entered and exited by just such a means at least once since the murders.

I don't believe he banged the window back and locked it steve that was never proven. He did use the window to enter after the murders but the reason why is debateable.

[nugnug]

the only person who would be the killer.

which means Steve must of done it.

[gringo]

If we're talking about the Andrew Hunter book draft I have commented on it many times. His method is flawed because he doesn't follow through on much which reminds me of Scott Lomax. To name but a few instances: the silencer mark on Sheila is spotted but not explained,there is no mention of Jeremy having admitted to gaining entry to the White House by means of the bathroom window on several occasions,no mention of the James Richards or Charles Marsden evidence,not to mention the latest from Barbara..

The silencer mark is explained and possible explanations for this are self evident if you have read the full draft .
    There is clear evidence that Pargeters' gun with silencer fitted was also present at the farmhouse and much to suggest it was used in the killings .
   The silencer mark was on the non fatal wound . The prosecution evidence says that the only opportunity for Sheila's blood to enter the silencer was from a contact shot , thus meaning that she could not have removed the silencer after the fatal contact shot . The new evidence shows that the fatal shot was non contact .
   It is not credible anymore to rely on silencer evidence anyway . This is another matter thoroughly dealt with in Hunter's upcoming book and elsewhere . How many silencers do you think police had possession of and do you have any faith in the silencer evidence as presented to the court ?
   

[gringo]

The secure windows insecure windows remark rings alarm bells. Of course he's not going to admit that a window could be banged back into position,but he had entered and exited by just such a means at least once since the murders.

Why does that remark ring alarm bells ? The rest of what you say would be easily provable ( the possibility of the the window being locked from outside that is ) . Was this shown to be possible ?
    None of this is substantive enough to infer guilt anyway . I don't get your reasoning it doesn't seem very vigorous .

[JackAll]

Sheila didn't have to fill up the magazine. She could have loaded the rifle one by one. It has never been demonstrated that anyone reloaded the magazine to full capacity. Neither did she have to fight Ralph. One bullet could have incapacitated him if hit in the right place. In fact the gun didn't have to be reloaded very quickly at all.

Really? And I supposed you have tried that with a semi-auto firearm?

That would mean drawing the breech lever each time to cock the d*mn thing......simliar to a single shot bolt action rifle, but the lever is much smaller than a bolt.......

.......Oh, and where was the empty or half empty ammunition box/es? They are packaged in 10,20,25 & up to 50 depending on the make......

.......and where was the lead powder and bullet lube on her hands and in her fingerprints???

I know..........I bet you or someone suggests she polished them all the day before..........

Jack

[grahameb]

Really? And I supposed you have tried that with a semi-auto firearm?

That would mean drawing the breech lever each time to cock the d*mn thing......simliar to a single shot bolt action rifle, but the lever is much smaller than a bolt.......

.......Oh, and where was the empty or half empty ammunition box/es? They are packaged in 10,20,25 & up to 50 depending on the make......

.......and where was the lead powder and bullet lube on her hands and in her fingerprints???

I know..........I bet you or someone suggests she polished them all the day before..........

Jack

Why are you so agressive?

[lookout]

Makes me wonder too,Grahame. Those who know-----------know too much !

[maggie]

Really? And I supposed you have tried that with a semi-auto firearm?
That would mean drawing the breech lever each time to cock the d*mn thing......simliar to a single shot bolt action rifle, but the lever is much smaller than a bolt.......
.......Oh, and where was the empty or half empty ammunition box/es? They are packaged in 10,20,25 & up to 50 depending on the make......
.......and where was the lead powder and bullet lube on her hands and in her fingerprints???
I know..........I bet you or someone suggests she polished them all the day before..........
Jack

Hi Jack I wouldn't suggest Sheila polished anything the day before she died. According
to Pamela Boutflour's statement her sister June Bamber told her Sheila was pretty well
incapable of doing anything that day, very possibly due to her psychotic illness.
The discovery that Sheila's hands/palms were stated to be bloodied surely answers questions
re the claim her hands were clear of heavy lead powder or gun residue. If we know her
hands were bloody but the swabs didn't show various elements of this blood either from these results surely we must query A)  were Sheila's hands washed before they were swabbed.
B))Were the hand swabs presented as Sheila's in fact Sheila's?

[JackAll]

Hi Jack I wouldn't suggest Sheila polished anything the day before she died. According
to Pamela Boutflour's statement her sister June Bamber told her Sheila was pretty well
incapable of doing anything that day, very possibly due to her psychotic illness.
The discovery that Sheila's hands/palms were stated to be bloodied surely answers questions
re the claim her hands were clear of heavy lead powder or gun residue. If we know her
hands were bloody but the swabs didn't show various elements of this blood either from these results surely we must query A)  were Sheila's hands washed before they were swabbed.
B))Were the hand swabs presented as Sheila's in fact Sheila's?

I was being sarcastic.......

But the rest of what you say is in line with what I know of SB/C.........incapable of most things mechanical.

Bullet grease / lube is even more difficult to remove than lead powder, so a general swab of the hands wouldn't remove it..........a thorough wash with strong liquid detergent or medical alcohol might do it.

Jack

[lookout]

Maybe there was a jar of Swarfega in the bathroom/kitchen.