Killing of victims took place in isolated manner...

[Gunga]

I've always had the impression, assuming it was Sheila:

June and Neville were shot
The twins were shot
Neville went downstairs & called the police/Jeremy
Sheila returned to bedroom, shot June again
Went down to kitchen and fought and finished off Neville.

[Aunt Agatha]

I forget sometimes that these where people. 

I've gotten so used to just writing or talking about it, its only when I pictured the events you describe, that I actually took a few moments and put myself in Sheila's shoes and pictured the two boys sleeping.

I feel so very, very sad.   

[Newbury1]

If the killer was/is Sheila, she had the opportunity to spring into action against individual victims at times when all parties were somewhat isolated from one another, whereas if Jeremy was/is the killer there was/is a greater prospect of the three adults coming to the  aid of one or other of the victims?

These are the differences between Sheila being the killer, as opposed to it being Jeremy?

It's one area that applies to my JB 20% innocent, in that I can't fathom how JB (if it was him) managed to kill all three adults (making SC's death look like a suicide). There don't appear to be any drag marks indicating the people died in the rooms they were found in.

So..... if it was JB, where was SC at the time of the killings - what was she doing - how did he get her to comply with being shot to make it loom like suicide - If she was shot last why did she not try to escape!!

The list feels endless!

 

[mike tesko]

You have also to take into account how an intruder could break into the farmhouse in the middle of the night at peril of disturbing the dogs? If an intruder enters WHF there is always going to be a very good chance that the barking dogs are going to awake the occupants of the farmhouse. This would almost certainly result in at least one or more of the adults being up and out of their bed , downstairs to investigate? If this is what took place, how does this fit in with the claim that Ralph was shot up to 4 times non fatally upstairs in the bedroom?

If jeremy was the killer, he would need to break into the farmhouse in the middle of the night, this would set off the dogs barking, which in turn would alert the occupants of the farmhouse which would place jeremy at a considerable disadvantage, because the element of surprise that somebody lIke Jeremy would be relying upon would have vanished in the blink of an eye - in addition to this jeremy would have to grab the gun and there would be no sure way of knowing the whereabouts of the gun?

Too many things could go wrong if Jeremy was/is the killer, and he was also the intruder?

[mertol22]

If its correct that upon storming the house at or around 07.30 who switched the lights on ?

[mike tesko]

If its correct that upon storming the house at or around 07.30 who switched the lights on ?

Kitchen light was on all night - yet nobody looked in through the kitchen window, until raid team made approach to enter farmhouse at about 7.30am, at which point PC Collins reported that he could see the body of a dead female behind the door...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

I wonder if JB had a key to WHF before the murders? It is quite usual for offspring to have keys to their parents house, particularly if they live close by.

[mike tesko]

Kitchen light was on all night - yet nobody looked in through the kitchen window, until raid team made approach to enter farmhouse at about 7.30am, at which point PC Collins reported that he could see the body of a dead female behind the door...

Next crucial development was/is a timed radio message log (7.37am) - ”The body of one dead male and the body of one dead female found upon entry”...

Now...

We have a sighting of a dead female from the vantage point of the kitchen window before raid team smashes down the door to enable police to enter the farmhouse, and then once police actually enter the house, they find the body of a dead female, after they found the body of a dead male. Therefore, it should be absolutely clear to everyone that the attempt to disguise the recorded sighting of a dead female body behind the door (from the vantage point of the kitchen window before entry was made) by trying to claim it was a mistake only realised once police got into the kitchen, since body seen was supposedly that of Ralph Bamber, is/was fundamentally flawed, since the timed radio message log (7.37am) clearly states that ”And the body of one dead female found upon entry”, the find of a dead female body upon entry to the kitchen, was in addition to the find of ”The body of one dead male”, not a replacement involving any sort of a mix up where PC Collins mistook body of Ralph for a dead female.

The body of the dead female was found after the body of the dead male, once police had entered the farmhouse, and since Ralphs body was photographed on the kitchen floor by the left hand corner of the aga surround (not behind the door) it stands to reason that the dead female body seen behind the door could not have been mistaken for that of a dead male body, because police had to enter the kitchen and go beyond the location of Ralph`s body to discover the dead female one...

[mike tesko]

I wonder if JB had a key to WHF before the murders? It is quite usual for offspring to have keys to their parents house, particularly if they live close by.

There was a spare key which was normally kept in one of the sheds that the relatives and Jeremy were all aware of - the police had possession of this key before they broke the door down. They did not use this key because just prior to them smashing the door in with use of a sledge hammer, police discovered there was already a key in the lock inside, and that there was also two large bolts securing the door, so the spare key in question was of no use to anyone, and it would have been of no use to Jeremy if he had been the killer, and he had sought to use it to gain entry to the house in the middle of the night, rather than by use of a window?

[mike tesko]

It is/was much more likely that someone like Sheila who was staying at WHF, would know when mum and dad were isolated from one another in different parts of the house at the critical moment that shootings commenced, as opposed to an outsider who would have to break in without disturbing the dogs, locate the rifle, and hope that all three adults were isolated from one another so that there was little if any chance of them ganging up on him, or helping eachother...

Too many risks involved for Jeremy to have been the killer - it had to be Sheila...

[mike tesko]

Intruder/killer scenario would have been much too risky for all and many more reasons, including for the potential for Ralph to grab one of the many weapons stored at the house and plenty of ammunition to boot, to repel any attack upon the family, including for the fact that he normally kept a loaded shotgun under the bed to shoot foxes which strayed into/onto the farm at night? Would someone like jeremy break into the farmhouse undercover of darkness knowing that if the dogs got disturbed there might be a very good chance his dad might come downstairs armed with any one of a number of guns prepared to use it?