New proposed account of how Sheila could have committed the massacre:

[Stephanie]

The Court of Last Resort
A dark and rainy late afternoon in December, and in a café opposite the Royal Courts of Justice in London I meet Dr Michael Naughton. He is a fast-talking man in his late 40s, a former machine-shop foreman and mechanical engineer from a large Irish Catholic family. When an industrial injury forced him to change careers Naughton studied criminology and became interested in miscarriages of justice. "Coming from my background, I'd had experience of the criminal justice system," he says. "Then I started meeting members of the Birmingham Six, and the shared connection of our biographies made a huge impact. What started as a theoretical interest suddenly became very personal."

"The more we researched, the more concerns grew," continues Tan. "We learned that the fibres are easily transferable and susceptible to contamination, that they were not collected from Hall's addresses until six months after the murder." As a result of their investigation, Hall had his case referred back to the Court of Appeal, and it is while attending the hearings at the Royal Courts of Justice that I meet Naughton and Tan. The judgment on whether he will have his conviction quashed is announced this month. If Hall is freed, it will be the first time that the Innocence Project will have succeeded in overturning a conviction in six years of existence.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/jan/09/innocence-project-conviction-hilary-swank
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Dr Michael Nauhgton published numerous books over the years, many of which featured the SH case https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=zsi9CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT168&lpg=PT168&dq=simon+hall+innocence+project+bristol+murder+weapon&source=bl&ots=UNPAi65PjA&sig=UR7I4Ow3DriH_I1lIdoju0e60u4&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=simon%20hall%20innocence%20project%20bristol%20murder%20weapon&f=false

It should be reminded; I met SH in February 2002. He was arrested a few months later. Although we wrote to one another infrequently over the years, we did not begin a 'relationship' until around the end of 2007. By which time, his campaign had already gained momentum. I started campaigning in 2009. And from the moment I started campaigning, so did a few others, only their campaign was aimed at discrediting me. One has to ask, why?

[Stephanie]

I'm unsure if you are familiar with the case against SH but the police believed the kitchen window had been smashed with an ornamental garden frog. This item was sent away for forensic testing and the theory remained that the frog was used to smash the window. In the last ever BBC Rough Justice documentary, Professor Peter Bull put together an experiment showing how the fibre evidence would have also contained glass particles.

The garden ornament had been knocked over and there was a patch of grass where it appeared the frog once sat. I can put a photo up later.

During the police search of the SOC and surrounding areas, the police found a long metal pole in one of the neighbours garden. Although exhibited it was never sent away for forensics.

Also arguments continued over the years in relation to the actual murder weapon. Some people may recall in 2010 the innocent project found a witness statement from a carer of an elderly gentleman who had been burgled on the same night as the murder, suggesting the knife didn't belong to the victim. I will post a link later.

SH disclosed he had used the metal pole to smash the window. So did police fabricate the frog evidence or is that what they genuinely believed had been used
? Was the frog evidence unknowingly fabricated? Why did they fail to test the pole (budget?) and why was it ruled out (Human error?)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6542885.stm

[Stephanie]

Many posters here witnessed the SH campaign turn into a car crash. And many posters (2012/13) blamed me for the car crash that became the campaign.

Stephanie Bon posted: "Simon made his choices and there is nothing any of us can do, to this day, although she is aware of what is happening, Mrs Hall still hasn’t made contact or returned calls from Simon’s family and friends and is therefore still playing mind games because who in their right mind would think that this is not affecting everyone?!  This is not normal behaviour and I am sure that this message will be relayed however, who can tell me that they have not witnessed this whole thing going t**ts up for the last few years?

What most of those posters failed to recognise was that I was being exploited by SH and used to do his bidding - for want of a better word.

The only person playing mind games was SH. And people like Stephanie Bon & Shaun Hall, for example, had their own agenda's.  Many of their posts at the time are now in hidden threads but some are still available for posters to read, digest and understand.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187623.html#msg187623

What most posters here won't know, is that at one time, the SH campaign had possibly the biggest online presence than any other UK case; including Jeremy Bamber's. Note: I did not start campaigning for SH until 2009; prior to this Stephanie Bon ran the campaign. Following the confession she posted: If you think that anyone who campaigned for Simon in the first 6-7 years did it knowing that this latest episode would ever happen  you really are mean and judgemental?  Tell me Paris, how do you think we all feel? We have had no contact with Simon for years other than the terrible letters that Stephanie Hall posted online, crass, rude and so disgusting towards anyone who ever cared for him.  Where you there at the beginning?  Do you remember how it feels to hear the words guilty when in your gut you don’t know if isn’t true? http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4548.msg187623.html#msg187623

Before facebook and twitter there were other social media sites, which those people campaigning for SH's release, used at the time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6527713.stm


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/4457187.stm

[maggie]

Hi All

Think we have drifted off topic  

Pleas can you discuss to the thread topic or start a different thread.

Thanks 

[Stephanie]

We don't need to know any more about what Jeremy Bamber is really like as a person because it has no bearing upon the now known facts regarding who really killed his sister. The jury which tried and convicted him, did so based on a trail of lies and deceit as presented by Essex police, it's experts, and some prosecution witnesses. Sheila did not die in the bedroom until 'after'  8.10am. we now know this to be true because at 7.37am she was present in the kitchen as confirmed by the deliberately withheld police message log contents. Sheila in the kitchen then prior to 8.10am, and only three bodies present upstairs by that stage - now imagine the jury having to take that on board? It doesn't matter 'a jot' where Sheila's body ended up after the period between 7.37 and 8.10am, fact is she wasn't laid on the main bedroom floor with the rifle from the first floor window (7.15am onward) on her body throughout this 33 minute period. He may be many things to different people, a monster, a charmer, a child killer,  a nonce, a user, an abuser, but nothing can alter hard facts written in stone. Sheila, that's his sister, was not laid out on the bedroom floor at any stage between 7.37am, and 8.10am, that morning with the family rifle in her possession. I am not saying her body didn't end up there later on, with the rifle from the first floor window in her possession but that's another story. If the jury had got a whiff of these now known facts, recorded in official police records, it would have proved pivotal in their verdict. 'Doubt', that is all a defendants case has to show and prove. In this case, it can be said with 100% certainty that Bambers sister's body wasn't laid out on the main bedroom floor with the family rifle clutched against her body at any stage between 7.37am and 8.10am, on that first morning. Anything after that can't have involved Bamber at all. Essex police are to blame for this miscarriage of justice, by lying about the true circumstances of Sheila's death in the main bedroom. This is not Bamber trying to get away with it, or anything. He simply could not have had anything whatsoever to do with Sheila's body laid out in the main bedroom in possession of any rifle, any silencer, or any ammunition of this type, or that type. Which part don't you understand?

This explanation I am giving, is similar to my own case from yesteryear, where two Barnsley CID officers claimed to have been present in an observation van outside some target premises at 5.20pm, on the 22nd January, 1986. I was kept in custody for five and a half months on remand because cops withheld a surveillance log, which showed that a Detective Inspector in the No.3 Regional Crime Squad had not passed a message for officers to go and collect the observation van in question from the compound at Barnsley police station. This request was recorded in a timed message at 5.55pm, that date. The observation van was not put into position in the road outside the target premises until 6.30pm, that date. So, obviously the two South Yorkshire cops couldn't have been inside that observation van at 5.20pm, outside the target premises on that date, and they could not have seen a stolen motor vehicle pull up outside the target premises being driven, they both said, by none other than myself...

Cops withheld the log of messages, which could have prevented the loss of my liberty for a period of about five and a half months. I know there is a vast difference in the length of time that Bamber has been in custody (over 30 years) compared to my predicament, but nevertheless, the overlaying  principles are the same. There existed and there exists police message log contents which place Sheila in the kitchen with Ralph Bamber at 7.37am, onward. She was not upstairs in the bedroom by 8.10am, since by that stage there were only three bodies upstairs, not four...

Surely, if there is any justice, this man Bamber should be released from custody immediately. He cannot have shot and killed his sister in that main bedroom using the family owned rifle. It's impossible based upon the material contained in these previously withheld message logs. Bamber was never inside the farmhouse at all after 8.10am. This is like in my case, aforementioned, when I now say, that the two Barnsley CID men couldn't have been inside the observation van at 5.20pm on the 22nd January, 1986. They couldn't have been in that observation van at 5.20pm, that date, because the observation van was not there until much later on. Similarly, and without doubt or question, Sheila's body did not arrive inside the main bedroom until after 8.10am. The rifle which was later photographed at a first floor window, then upon his sisters body, did not leave it's resting place against a first floor window until after 7.15am. Therefore, this rules Bamber out of being the person who murdered his sister, and who allegedly staged her death scene, there on the main bedroom floor - But, how could he have? You tell me exactly how Bamber could possibly have shot and killed his sister with use of the family rifle after 8.10am, that morning?

He couldn't possibly have shot and killed his sister, in the same way Cops couldn't have seen me driving a stolen vehicle  from inside an observation van that wasn't there, when they said it was...

Bamber, for all his faults did not shoot, or kill his sister, that's a fact, it's the truth. It's factual, it's logical, and it's the absolute truth...

Hi Mike,

Have you ever considered that after listening to your story, Jeremy Bamber mirrored you in order to have you believe he had suffered a similar fate to you?

Have you ever considered the possibility that Jeremy murdered his entire family and that Sheila was/is an innocent victim?

It's easy for many of us to compare our circumstances/experiences to that of others but it is equally possible that when we compare our our situations with other people, we are wrong in our conclusions.

You suggest it doesn't matter what type of person Jeremy is, but what if it does? What if he is a con artist who lies to anyone who will listen?

I've read many of your posts over the years Mike and there's no doubting you have been through a lot in your life. There are also times when you are really angry and it appears to me you have suffered injustice.

I don't get this from Jeremy Bamber! Like SH, the anger is missing!? And one has to ask the question; Why? Most people who are angry, show it in other ways, for example; through ill health. But in over 30 years Jeremy Bamber is relatively well. How does he manage to stay so well? I've seen with my own eyes the toll injustice can do to a person over the years; Paddy Hill, Gerry Conlon - to name but a few.

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike,

Have you ever considered that after listening to your story, Jeremy Bamber mirrored you in order to have you believe he had suffered a similar fate to you? yes, his case has very similar features to those relied upon to secure his convictions. Similarly, so do my case and his case have something in common with very many of the other know known miscarriages of justice. Exhibits tampered with, witness statements tampered with, mistaken identification evidence, misinterpreted scientific conclusions, bias opinion, lying witnesses, withholding of vital and necessary in all formats, stage managing of crime scene's, mis-production of crime scene photographs which benefit the prosecutions case, and bias summing up by trial judges are amongst the very causes of these miscarriages of justice. Now, it depends what you mean by Bamber mirroring what happened in my case? Firstly, prior to meeting up with him at HMP Full Sutton, on B Wing in 1989, I did not know of Bamber and I assume he did not know anything about me, or the offences I was convicted of. I certainly had never heard in the news anything about the tragedy at whf, or what he was convicted of. He was just another inmate who happened to be in a single cell across the corridor from me. As it turned out there were one or two other notorious inmates in cells next door to me, or somewhere along the landing. IRA, bank robbers, murderers, domestic killers, serial killers if you like, including the black panther, and the like. It was a newly built institution that came on stream in the mid to late 1980's. At the time of my incarceration there, from early 1989 onward, there were only four main windows in operation, each wing capable of housing around 100 inmates (50 downstairs, and 50 upstairs) All four wings were a replica in design as the other three. When I arrived there each wing only had a handful of prisoners incarcerated in them. This was because the institution was a new build, and the home office wanted to get the place up and running before it flooded the place with inmates who for one reason or another were considered to be incorrigible criminals who could not be rehabilitated, or as the case may be, who was considered to be dangerous to the public, and peace. It was a very strange atmosphere at first because one of the things which struck me about the place, was that the staff did not wear uniforms, and they asked us to call them by there Christian names, Bill, Jane, John, Julie, Peter, Sandra, Phillip, and so on, and so forth. We only had to act formally when seeing the prison governor, Me Staples, when we addressed him as 'Sir'. It soon became clear that although there were workshops which had been built for use, that the prison was geared up in the main to provide educational facilities for the other prisoners like myself, considered to be worthless members of society. When I first arrived at Full Sutton, I helped clean up the wing along with the handful of other inmates. Later I enrolled in the education programme, English, Mathematics, English literature, English Speaking, cooking, philosophy, sociology. It was whilst I was busy trying to educate myself, that I got to know one or two, or three or more of my fellow prisoners a little better. Jeremy Bamber was one of those people. I could name more names, but I shan't. Names didn't really matter to me at that time of my life. I was more interested in the stories many of the people I had come into contact with had to tell. Most of them were people just like myself, claiming that they had been stitched up, or framed, or that this witness, or that witness had deliberately lied, or deceived the court which had tried them. Some, however, were resigned to their fate, they were guilty of the things they had been arrested for, tried for, and convicted of. I became a people watcher, a people listener. The more I watched other people, and the more I listened to them, it somehow made me look at myself like I had never done so before. I came to recognise things about myself that I didn't  know previously. I don't think that Bamber tried to mirror what had happenned to me in his case at the hands of South Yorkshire police. But he was interested in the fact that there was an independent police investigation ongoing at that time into my case, as ordered by my trial judge after representations were made to him by my counsel, Mr Shaun Spencer, QC...

Have you ever considered the possibility that Jeremy murdered his entire family and that Sheila was/is an innocent victim? yes, I have, but I have always believed that his sister could easily have shot and killed the other four victims dead. I did at one stage have doubts about Sheila being able to shoot herself twice with a silencer fitted to the rifles barrel (on the basis that it was Sheila's blood inside the silencer which got there at the time she was shot) on the proviso that the weapon might have been too long with the silencer fitted. But these concerns were brushed aside once experiments involving Amy Holland at Birdwell Armoury, Barnsley were conducted at the beginning of 2004, which established that someone of a similar build and height as Sheila Caffell could have shot herself with the anshuzt rifle and silencer so configured. That was a game changer for me, because once those experiments had been conducted, I knew that the court which had convicted Bamber had technically been deceived. This is because it would have been impossible for her to have shot herself with the silencer fitted to the gun, but the actual truth was that she could have, it was possible. This itself did not prove to me that Sheila had not shot herself, only that contrary to popular belief, she could have. At the beginning of 2004, we discovered the mark around the lower entry wound site which appeared to have the exact dimensions as the muzzle end of the silencer. After taking advice from gun enthusiasts and a gun dealer, I became satisfied that a silencer must have been attached to the gun which caused the lower wound. A similar mark was absent from around the upper entry wound on the same throat. This suggested to me one of two things, (1) either the silencer was still attached to the gun when the second shot was fired, but if it was its muzzle was not in contact with the surface of the skin when the second fatal shot had been fired, or (2) the silencer had been removed by that stage. Armed with this information I started to consider how this might impact upon the argument that Sheila might still have killed herself? What I discovered in the judges summing up to the jury was some mention or other where the judge said that nobody had suggested, and there had been no evidence adduced in the case, to say that Sheila could not have taken the silencer off the gun after she had killed the others, or that she couldn't have placed the silencer in the cupboard herself, before shooting herself dead afterwards, or words to that effect. Which got me thinking...

Could the silencer have been fitted to the rifle at the time of the first shot, but it had been removed before the second shot had been fired? If so, could Sheila still have killed herself?

Well, yes. But in order to show this, it required a great deal of thought which led me to conclude that although it might have been possible, I doubted that Sheila had removed the silencer herself in-between shots, or that she had then taken it to the cupboard and hid it away...

In my opinion, it required the hand of another person, if the silencer had been used, to conceal the silencer in that cupboard...

Armed with this information I went to see Ewen Smith at his office in Birmingham. He appeared satisfied with the discovery that the circular mark around the lower entry wound on Sheila's neck could have been caused by the muzzle of the silencer coming into contact with the skin on the throat at the time the first shot had been fired. If true, he said, it was ominous that when matched with Sheila's blood in the silencer, it didn't look good for Jeremy...

At this juncture, I satisfied myself, that Sheila could have shot herself with the silencer on the gun, but I couldn't bring myself to believe that she had removed the silencer and hid it in a cupboard. This is despite the fact that the trial judge had said she might have been able to do this, if the jury concluded that the blood in the silencer had been an intimate mixture of the parents bloods', rather than Sheila's...

It's easy for many of us to compare our circumstances/experiences to that of others but it is equally possible that when we compare our our situations with other people, we are wrong in our conclusions. not when you are comparing timed events, which show that something could not possibly be true. In my case, the two cops couldn't have been in that observation van at 5.20pm, because the observation van wasn't there for them to be inside it. Therefore they could not have seen me driving a stolen motor vehicle from inside that observation van, because the observation van in question was still parked up in a police compound until 5.55pm that same date, and did not get parked in position outside target premises until 6.30pm, that same date. Conclusions which can be drawn from this set of facts, is that (a) the observation van wasn't there at 5.20pm, (b) cop one wasn't inside the observation van at 5.20pm, outside target premises, (c) cop two wasn't inside the observation van at 5.20pm, outside target premises, (d) cop one and cop two were not together inside the observation van parked outside target premises at 5.20pm, (e) they did not see me at the target premises from inside the observation van at 5.20pm, (f) they didn't see me driving a stolen vehicle from the vantage point inside the observation van, (G) the evidence used to prosecute me was 'fabricated, (h) cops made false witness statements, (I) cops committed perjury, and sought to pervert the course of justice...

In Bambers case, (a) The rifle was seen at a first floor window at 7.15am, (b) Sheila was the female body which was present in the kitchen at 7.37am, (c) hers could not have been one of the three bodies found upstairs at 8.10am, (d) Since Sheila's body was present in the kitchen at 7.37am, the rifle from the first floor window could not have been laid upon Sheila's body on the bedroom floor at 7.37am, (e) since Sheila's body could not have been one of the three bodies found upstairs at 8.10am, the rifle from the first floor window could not have been laid out on Sheila's body on the main bedroom floor until some stage after 8.10am, (f) Sheila was being spoken about in terms of her being dead in the kitchen, from as early as 7.37am, (g) DR Craig pronounced Sheila dead upstairs at 8.44am, (h) the rifle was photographed by PC Bird resting against the first floor bedroom window in photograph number 23, before 'DC Oakey' photographed the same rifle upon Sheila's body with its barrel resting against the left side of Sheila's neck (25). Then PC Bird took additional photographs which show the barrel of the rifle in an elevated position above the neck (26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33). These facts all being true, establish that Jeremy Bamber could not possibly have shot and killed his sister in the main bedroom, or staged her death scene there with use of the rifle, anytime after 8.10am. His convictions are unsafe...

You suggest it doesn't matter what type of person Jeremy is, but what if it does? What The type of person Jeremy was and is has no bearing whatsoever on his ability to have been able to shoot his sister with the rifle in the bedroom after 8.10am. The facts are as described by me, above. The type of person Bamber might have been can't impact in any way whatsoever upon his ability to have killed his sister in the main bedroom after 8.10am, that morning. All that matters, is that he had no opportunity to kill his sister in the bedroom or to stage his sister's body in that bedroom. .. if he is a con artist who lies to anyone who will listen? Whether or not Bamber is a 'con artist's, he could not have fooled the police into thinking that his sister had taken her own life with use of the rifle, in the bedroom, at any stage after 8.10am, that morning. The man simply could not have killed and staged his sister's body there, and that is the bottom line. Nobody can make up the facts of this matter. Jeremy Bamber didn't try to con the police into thinking his sister had taken her own life, after she had shot and killed the other four victims. The cops themselves staged Sheila's body to make it look like it was a suicide. If the truth be known, it was a case of the cops fooling Bamber, the relatives, and the court which tried the matter, and the general public at large that Sheila Caffell, had taken her own life. Cops even had photographic evidence to back up there claims. Jeremy didn't know that cops had seen the rifle at a first floor window prior to the firearm officers entering the farmhouse. Jeremy didn't know that cops found Sheila's body in the kitchen by 7.37am. Jeremy didn't know that his sister's body was excluded from being present upstairs before 8.10am, or that the rifle was photographed leaning against the main bedroom window (23), prior to cops planting it on his sister's body and only then taking photographs showing her body in possession of the rifle losing as if she had taken her own life. What else can you blame him for? The man Bamber may be many things to many different people, but he most definitely did not shoot his sister dead in the main bedroom, with the rifle from a first floor window after the only time he could possibly have done, which was/is 8.10am...

I don't get this from Jeremy Bamber! Like SH, the anger is missing!? And one has to ask the question; Why? Most people who are angry, show it in other ways, for example; through ill health. But in over 30 years Jeremy Bamber is relatively well. How does he manage to stay so well? I agree that Jeremy may have a personality disorder. I have not spent any time with him for over a decade, so I can't say how he is now. But what I can say is that he appears to lack the ability to show emotion. This does not mean however that it proves he's a killer, a mass murderer. I have learned something as a result of my experiences and the influence of other people who have been relatively successful in their lives. I'm not talking about famously successful people, but rather ordinarily successful people. The secret is to live by the truth, live it in your heart, live it in your mind, live it in your actions. If you do this, you will in the main be happy in everything you do. I know the truths in my life. I have an opinion regarding the truths in other people's lives. I know the difference between right and wrong. I know the difference between good and bad. I know the difference between up and down. I know the difference between hot and cold. I know the difference between big and small. I know the difference between justice and injustice, I know the difference between freedom and imprisonment. I know a lot of things, and I do not consider myself to be a fool anymore, maybe I was a fool before, maybe I was many things that I no longer am. One thing I know, with 100% certainty and that is this, Jeremy Bamber only had one opportunity to shoot dead his sister, Sheila Jean Caffell with the family rifle inside the main bedroom. He only had one opportunity to stage her death scene there on the bedroom floor. He only had one opportunity to remove a silencer and take it to the cupboard in the den, and conceal it in an ammunition box. He could have only done all of these things after 8.10am, at a time when there were four bodies upstairs (thereafter) not only three... I've seen with my own eyes the toll injustice can do to a person over the years; Paddy injustice in any form eats away at you, every moment from the point when the injustice occurs, and it continues long after such an injustice gets rectified. Your physical, mental well-being deteriorate with alarming intensity. It can make you withdraw from the company of others, it can kill you, it can also motivate you to try to ensure that it can't happen again... Hill, Gerry Conlon - to name but a few.

[Stephanie]

Hi Mike,

Many thanks for what appears to be an honest account of how you met Jeremy and for sharing some of your life experiences and a bit about yourself.

I want to make it clear to you, and anyone else who may be reading this, that I do not think you are a 'fool' nor do I think other people are fools for having the belief they have regarding Jeremy Bamber's innocence.

I have been called a fool by some people regarding SH (With the intent to belittle) but this is a throw away and dismissive comment and does not come anywhere close to explaining just how convincing, highly manipulative and cunning (Disordered) these people can be. Further, imo it is also a comment made by someone who has no understanding, or indeed interest, as to how & why someone can be duped/conned or whatever other word you can think of to describe a betrayal such as this

I don't have time to reply fully to your post at the moment but I hope to come back to this later on.

However, there is one crucial point you have made that I want to highlight right now;

You stated: "injustice in any form eats away at you, every moment from the point when the injustice occurs, and it continues long after such an injustice gets rectified. Your physical, mental well-being deteriorate with alarming intensity. It can make you withdraw from the company of others, it can kill you, it can also motivate you to try to ensure that it can't happen again

I agree with you Mike.

On reflection, this is what SH had missing. After he confessed he wrote how after he had been caught and convicted he said; "he died a little each day.

He did indeed make several attempts on his life following his conviction and almost succeeded, not dissimilar to 2013 and 2014 when he succeeded.

But he did not die a little each day as he stated; at least certainly not how you nor I would expect someone to behave following an injustice. I know because I witnessed this with my owns eyes and have said elsewhere, he went from strength to strength. He did not isolate himself. He did not present inwardly or indeed outwardly what one would expect.  Overall, he was in excellent physical health . His PM confirmed this. His inquest concluded he did not have any mental health issues. Amazing really isn't it!?

Jeremy Bamber in 32 years has never once mentioned any of the things you mention with regards his alleged injustice; in relation to his mental and physical health, just like SH did not. 

Yet we only need look at those people who have had their convictions overturned having been found innocent to see the effects the years of wrongful incarceration have caused. There appears to be no getting away from it. So how then does Jeremy Bamber?

[Stephanie]

Hi again Mike,

Thanks for sharing so much information about your time in prison and for answering how you met Jeremy.

You said he was in the cell opposite you and that it was during education that you got to know him. Can you give us some more information with regards who approached who and how you became involved in his case. You said he was interested in the independent police investigation of your case at the time. Is this what gave him the idea to appeal his case?

When did Jeremy first start looking into the details of his conviction. Had he ever contacted anyone outside of prison before meeting you? How did you get involved? Was it him that asked you to help him or did you offer to help him?

You've suggested on another thread he may be personality disordered. What makes you think this? What was Jeremy like in prison? Who did he hang around with? What did he do; ie: work, education etc (At the time you were living opposite one another). Did he have any visitors when you knew him inside?

In one of your previous replies to me you posted:

"I don't think that Bamber tried to mirror what had happenned to me in his case at the hands of South Yorkshire police. But he was interested in the fact that there was an independent police investigation ongoing at that time into my case, as ordered by my trial judge after representations were made to him by my counsel, Mr Shaun Spencer, QC...

You then talk about meeting up with Ewen Smith in Birmingham. Interestingly I also met with Ewen Smith in Birmingham re the SH case. I had a meeting with several members of the CCRC, who at the time were looking into SH's conviction for a second time.

What happened in between meeting Jeremy and meeting with Ewen Smith? How long did you know Jeremy by the time you met with Mr Smith? How did you get some of his case files? How often did he write and phone you and what sort of things would he talk about?

The other question for now is you talk about the anger felt following a wrongful conviction and the affect on your mental and physical well being. How was Jeremy affected, if at all?