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Chochokeira

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Re: Bamber Country
« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2012, 01:34:AM »
Ha Ha, Draycot place is not at all run down, it is just off Sloane Avenue and the place is full of mansion blocks, if his old man lived there it is and was pretty smart in the 60's - and 2 minutes from the Kings Road !!


Draycott Place, London, SW3
 1 bedroom flat for sale.
£350,000

http://www.globrix.com/property-details/36922422-draycott_place-london-sw3-1_bed-flat


You would pay around a million for a 1 bed flat elsewhere in SW3, Boheme

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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2012, 01:37:AM »
   Choch, I made that just under an hour and a half for you to unlock the Speakmans family tree, do
the Bamberettes possess this skill cause they got as far as granny Speakman on their tree. Grahame
can you follow this with a link to the Dick Barton Theme tune ?


It took me around 10 mins to figure it out, Campers, a little slow, but then I've been very busy today. I didn't arrive home from my office until around 1 am. I am so shattered.

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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2012, 12:38:PM »
   Summer, This is where I think the problems arise, the adopted mothers side of the family. With granny
Speakman passing away so close to Jeremy's arrest, presumably she must have been in poor health
for sometime and her passing would be expected by all parties with a vested interest. Generally,
grandchildren have little specialist knowledge of how much there grandparents are worth in shares and
property. Their children do because they have openly discussed this delicate issue prior to the event,
particularly the farming fraternity, because it involves death duties, mainly inheritance tax. If they weren't in the loop, the consequences may affect there own properties that could be held in a family trust. The grandchildren just view that granparents are well off. This unpleasant scenario is the nature
of these situations, the children have to be well informed. In the unlikely event that an entire generation
is leapfrogged, then those with a vested interest are likely to become hostile to a junior, especially if they are not a direct blood relative. Can a family divide like that, would they push another family member
out and could they make sure that that person would never enter the scenario again, that is for people
to form their own judgement, my opinion is yes it can happen and it's much more common occurrence
than society is prepared to recognise. The Speakman family were seriously rich, because they were
very astute business people and they can only be congratulated for their success, it is what came next
and it's influences and possible motive ?

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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2012, 04:13:PM »
       Back to Bamber country after a quick fix of listening to the Dick Barton Special Agent theme tune,
Barton as some may know has an Aunt Agatha.
     
            Langford parish, part of the Thurstable Hundred according to Morant takes its name from the
Saxon words for long and ford unsurprisingly. Lord Bouchier held half a knights fee as did Lord fitzwalter.
Thomas Langford flourished here in 1320, a Dominican Friar and author of the Universal Chronicle. There are strong links to Cressing Temple ( Cressing Temple Barns near Witham/Braintree ). Mary queen of Scots, Anne Bouchier marries William Parr who is then created in 1541 Marquis of Northhampton. He having forfeited his estates for espousing the cause of Lady Jane Grey, were all possessors of this estate. Campion, what has this got to do with Jeremy, absolutely nothing other than its more interesting than baking cakes, it is also essential to how this ends.

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« Reply #34 on: February 22, 2012, 07:41:PM »
    For those of you still following this we next go across Fluvinus Idumanius, otherwise known as
Blackwater Bay, opposite Tollesbury. As already stated above the site of Othona. It is not called Bradwell
in the Doomsday book but Effecestre, this was called in Saxon times Ithancestir, much of this town has been lost to coastal erosion. St Cedd built many churches here according to the Venerable Bede. There is a spring called the Pants-Well. One of the Manors owners, Thomas Bardulfe was given it, by Henry II
brother William to hold the service of one knights fee. In 1485 Henry VII assigns this manor, among others to Queen Elizabeth, widow of King Edward IV, during her life. in 1539 Henry VIII gives it to his cast off queen Anne of Cleaves. 1558 sees it in the hands of Queen Mary who annexed it to the Dutchy
of Lancaster. The Manors of Battails, Dounhall and East Hall provide one knights fee, one lance in the Kings army respectively, East Hall being mainly marsh had one called Coleward owned by Bilegh Abbey.
On the North East point stood a Chapel, intently called Capella de la Val, or St Peter ad Murum.
     The Jeremy connection, he could probably see it all from his tractor !     

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« Reply #35 on: February 23, 2012, 09:26:AM »
    For those of you still following this we next go across Fluvinus Idumanius, otherwise known as
Blackwater Bay, opposite Tollesbury. As already stated above the site of Othona. It is not called Bradwell
in the Doomsday book but Effecestre, this was called in Saxon times Ithancestir, much of this town has been lost to coastal erosion. St Cedd built many churches here according to the Venerable Bede. There is a spring called the Pants-Well. One of the Manors owners, Thomas Bardulfe was given it, by Henry II
brother William to hold the service of one knights fee. In 1485 Henry VII assigns this manor, among others to Queen Elizabeth, widow of King Edward IV, during her life. in 1539 Henry VIII gives it to his cast off queen Anne of Cleaves. 1558 sees it in the hands of Queen Mary who annexed it to the Dutchy
of Lancaster. The Manors of Battails, Dounhall and East Hall provide one knights fee, one lance in the Kings army respectively, East Hall being mainly marsh had one called Coleward owned by Bilegh Abbey.
On the North East point stood a Chapel, intently called Capella de la Val, or St Peter ad Murum.
     The Jeremy connection, he could probably see it all from his tractor !     
I think your knowledge is brilliant campion. I should think you have enough here to write a reasonablt sized pamphlet, which could easily be sold at the town's information centre and other outlets. Get and write it and we could go from there.
There have been several local writers who have had their work published. I used to know a chap named Ken Stubbings who wrote a small book about local pubs and he found it quite easy to publish it. You will always find people round here are interested in things local and there is some information you have here which I haven't seen before.
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« Reply #36 on: February 23, 2012, 12:56:PM »
  Amendment, the Mary mentioned earlier is Queen Mary I, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Arogan, Mary is half sister to Edward VI, son of Anne of Cleves. Edward VI is betrothed to Mary Queen of
Scots. Edward VI is King 1547- 1553 and then succeeded by Queen Mary I who marries Phillip II King of
Spain. Mary is also known as Bloody Mary, Reigns from 1553-1558. Phillip II of Spain is the son of Charles
V Holy Roman Emperor Crowned by the Pope. On Mary's death she is succeeded as Queen by Elizabeth I, whose mother is Anne Boleyn who's house is now Newhall School, Chelmsford. So your point Campion
is what ! They all had homes in Bamber Country.     

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« Reply #37 on: February 23, 2012, 02:00:PM »
  Amendment, the Mary mentioned earlier is Queen Mary I, daughter of Henry VIII and Catherine of Arogan, Mary is half sister to Edward VI, son of Anne of Cleves. Edward VI is betrothed to Mary Queen of
Scots. Edward VI is King 1547- 1553 and then succeeded by Queen Mary I who marries Phillip II King of
Spain. Mary is also known as Bloody Mary, Reigns from 1553-1558. Phillip II of Spain is the son of Charles
V Holy Roman Emperor Crowned by the Pope. On Mary's death she is succeeded as Queen by Elizabeth I, whose mother is Anne Boleyn who's house is now Newhall School, Chelmsford. So your point Campion
is what ! They all had homes in Bamber Country.   


Excellent, Campers!

Wasn't the reason that the royals all had homes in Bamber country partly due to its combined strategic  importance, exceptionally pleasant countryside and gastronomic location and partly due to tradition?

The Blackwater area was then one great wildlife reserve, as it was largely covered by the great forest of Essex. Wasn't it also a spa? Remote and beautiful, every part of it allowing easy access to the healing ( exceptionally high density) salt waters and mud of the estuary. The area was a foremost centre of horsemanship too, so important to and beloved of the Normans and the British monarchy alike. It teemed with the wildlife that William the Conqueror loved "..for he so loved the tall deer the of the forest, as though he was their father..." according to the Chronicler. Where the King went, all of his nobles had to go too, so the Blackwater would have become the in place to take your leisure.

The Blackwater was within reasonable travelling distance of London and Colchester - and the continent too - all important for the Normans. It was also strategically important for repelling invasion by the Vikings, such as that of 1080, which held up work on the extension of Colchester Castle.

William the Conqueror began building Colchester Castle in the area some three years after he invaded us and one of the royal b*sta*rd's great favourites, Eudo Dapifer, would eventually be installed there as steward of the King's castle.

The royals have always been great creatures of habit: Christmas at Sandringham, A summer week at Holyrood, a week at Windsor timed with the horse trials, cricket and wild fowling in the Blackwater, the Queen, her father, grandparents and great grandparents, all following the same routines.

Following the death of William the B*st*rd, (who I believe banned hunting) the great forest of Essex at the Blackwater would have become a popular centre for hunting and wildfowling too.
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« Reply #38 on: February 23, 2012, 02:49:PM »
Most towns and settlements were built on rivers and estuaries simply because of ease of travel for trade purposes and were relatively free from robbers and highway men. I rather think that the Vikings were not as bad as they were made out to be and that many of them came to Briton to trade. Ports were great trading places.

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« Reply #39 on: February 23, 2012, 03:46:PM »
   The quest continues back across the Blackwater to Tolleshunt Beckingham/Mauger, is sometimes
written in records, Touzon. There is one manor in this parish and two reputed ones named Heighams and  Joyces, and Wykes. The manor initially belonged to Geoffrey De Tregoz when it was called Mauger, it was given by him to Coggeshall-Abbey. In 1538 K. Henry VIII granted it to Sir Thomas Seymour, brother to the Duke of Somerset. He exchanged it with the King, who in 1543 grants it to Stephen Beckingham, originally from Wiltshire. The Mansion House has a stately gate of brick with four turrets.
   Highams lies near the road leading from Goldanger to Tollesbury. Joyces belonged to the Higham family and was passed to that of Beckingham. It was a considerable farm.

    Wykes was another reputed manor in the parish. The Mansion House stood on Tiptree Heath near
the Parsonage called Renters. It was Ancient with part of it pulled down. There is no account of this Estate until 1525 when it is granted to Cardinal Wolsey. Brian D' Arcy Of Tiptree and st Osyth dies possessed of it in 1587. By 1608 there is mention of one knights service. The church dedicated to St Nicholas was owned by the Priory of Caldwell in Bedfordshire, founded by Simon Basset in 1152, for Canons of the order of St Augustine. A chapel was built next to the church called Beckinghams Chapel
with stately monument in alabaster in 1609 for Stephen Beckingham. Both are demolished and the
Arch between the two is walled up. Dunmow Priory may have had lands in this parish, as might the Bambers.

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« Reply #40 on: February 23, 2012, 04:33:PM »
   The quest continues back across the Blackwater to Tolleshunt Beckingham/Mauger, is sometimes
written in records, Touzon. There is one manor in this parish and two reputed ones named Heighams and  Joyces, and Wykes. The manor initially belonged to Geoffrey De Tregoz when it was called Mauger, it was given by him to Coggeshall-Abbey. In 1538 K. Henry VIII granted it to Sir Thomas Seymour, brother to the Duke of Somerset. He exchanged it with the King, who in 1543 grants it to Stephen Beckingham, originally from Wiltshire. The Mansion House has a stately gate of brick with four turrets.
   Highams lies near the road leading from Goldanger to Tollesbury. Joyces belonged to the Higham family and was passed to that of Beckingham. It was a considerable farm.

    Wykes was another reputed manor in the parish. The Mansion House stood on Tiptree Heath near
the Parsonage called Renters. It was Ancient with part of it pulled down. There is no account of this Estate until 1525 when it is granted to Cardinal Wolsey. Brian D' Arcy Of Tiptree and st Osyth dies possessed of it in 1587. By 1608 there is mention of one knights service. The church dedicated to St Nicholas was owned by the Priory of Caldwell in Bedfordshire, founded by Simon Basset in 1152, for Canons of the order of St Augustine. A chapel was built next to the church called Beckinghams Chapel
with stately monument in alabaster in 1609 for Stephen Beckingham. Both are demolished and the
Arch between the two is walled up. Dunmow Priory may have had lands in this parish, as might the Bambers.


The Howie family, related to Gran Speakman, own Wykes Manor Farm now, Campers. The farmhouse is early 17th century with a catslide roof. It's believed that the farmhouse was built by the Samms family, who were local gentry with property in the Tolleshunt villages, Goldhanger and Little Totham, I believe.

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« Reply #41 on: February 23, 2012, 04:37:PM »
In 1775, John Samms of Latchingdon on the Dengie pensinsular engaged a young man named Joseph Campion as an apprentice.

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« Reply #42 on: February 23, 2012, 04:52:PM »
    On that note I am going to find the Benny Hill theme tune, Choch you have just given this story the
most bizarre, unexpected twist, so surreal that when this thread ends, Jackie Preece will drag me into
Chelmsfords Premiere Lap Dancing Club  and have me carried out by stretcher some four hours later. I didn't know Bambers had this link to Wykes. Jeremy will be astonished, as will everybody else.     

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« Reply #43 on: February 23, 2012, 06:34:PM »
   Great Toteham comes next, Tote apparently a Saxon mans name and ham for habitation. Haam, as
I may or maynot have said possibly comes from the Hebrew word for God. Tote may mean a monument
in the form of a pillar, similar to Cleopatra's Needle or a Native American Totem Pole, that at the moment
is conjecture. Great Totham is east of Wickham Bishops and Langford. Turbert was owner in the days of Edward the Confessor, and Hamo Dapiser held it at the time of the survey. The manor of Great Totham,
Totham Hall, was left by Hamo Dapiser to children of his elder brother, Robert Fitz-Hamon, Lord of Caerdiff and Tewksbury, whose oldest daughter and coheir Mabel brought it in marriage to William, the natural son of King Henry I. created Earl of Gloucester in 1109. His eldest son also called William then gives this Lordship to Richard de Lucy, Maud de Lucy is given in marriage by King John in 1213 to Richard de Rivers of Chipping Ongar, Essex. Now, there is involvement here with Humfrey de Bohun, from him it gets onto Mary, wife of the Earl of Derby, later Henry IV. There is more Nobility in this manors provenance than you can " shake a stick at " Three knights fees are payable. Sir Brian Tuke purchased it
and Layer-Marney-Hall and dies possessed of it in 1545, Morant describes Totham Hall as a great estate.

    Frevills manor has less account than Totham Hall, mention of Edward Nalinghurst, a local lunatic in1551, he couldn't have been that crackers because he also owns land Little Totham,Goldanger,Tollesbury, Tollehunt D'Arcy and Major. Frerne or Ferne lands were given by Robert Mantel to Bilegh Abbey, which was founded by himself. At the Suppresion these lands are taken by the Crown and in 1544, King Henry VIII grants them to William Butts. 

    Ovesey Island ( Osea ) also belonged to Turbett mentioned above then Hamo Dapiser. For most of its history it goes along with the Capital Manor. Henry Bouchier holds Totham-Oveseye for half a knights
fee until his death in 1483. Within the parish of Totham, upon the shore, are many Tumuli, or Mounts of earth, called Borough-Hills, which were the Graves of Saxons and Danes killed in assaulting and defending England. Morant says they are just so far down the stream as the Colliers now come to unload, which makes it probable that the Danish vessels drew much the same water. The Church dedicated to St Peter was given by Maurice de Totham and Hugh de Nevill to the Nuns of Clerkenwell Monastery.     

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« Reply #44 on: February 23, 2012, 06:57:PM »
   Great Toteham comes next, Tote apparently a Saxon mans name and ham for habitation. Haam, as
I may or maynot have said possibly comes from the Hebrew word for God.
Tote may mean a monument
in the form of a pillar, similar to Cleopatra's Needle or a Native American Totem Pole, that at the moment
is conjecture. Great Totham is east of Wickham Bishops and Langford. Turbert was owner in the days of Edward the Confessor, and Hamo Dapiser held it at the time of the survey. The manor of Great Totham,
Totham Hall, was left by Hamo Dapiser to children of his elder brother, Robert Fitz-Hamon, Lord of Caerdiff and Tewksbury, whose oldest daughter and coheir Mabel brought it in marriage to William, the natural son of King Henry I. created Earl of Gloucester in 1109. His eldest son also called William then gives this Lordship to Richard de Lucy, Maud de Lucy is given in marriage by King John in 1213 to Richard de Rivers of Chipping Ongar, Essex. Now, there is involvement here with Humfrey de Bohun, from him it gets onto Mary, wife of the Earl of Derby, later Henry IV. There is more Nobility in this manors provenance than you can " shake a stick at " Three knights fees are payable. Sir Brian Tuke purchased it
and Layer-Marney-Hall and dies possessed of it in 1545, Morant describes Totham Hall as a great estate.

    Frevills manor has less account than Totham Hall, mention of Edward Nalinghurst, a local lunatic in1551, he couldn't have been that crackers because he also owns land Little Totham,Goldanger,Tollesbury, Tollehunt D'Arcy and Major. Frerne or Ferne lands were given by Robert Mantel to Bilegh Abbey, which was founded by himself. At the Suppresion these lands are taken by the Crown and in 1544, King Henry VIII grants them to William Butts. 

    Ovesey Island ( Osea ) also belonged to Turbett mentioned above then Hamo Dapiser. For most of its history it goes along with the Capital Manor. Henry Bouchier holds Totham-Oveseye for half a knights
fee until his death in 1483. Within the parish of Totham, upon the shore, are many Tumuli, or Mounts of earth, called Borough-Hills, which were the Graves of Saxons and Danes killed in assaulting and defending England. Morant says they are just so far down the stream as the Colliers now come to unload, which makes it probable that the Danish vessels drew much the same water. The Church dedicated to St Peter was given by Maurice de Totham and Hugh de Nevill to the Nuns of Clerkenwell Monastery.   
Ham is a Hebrew word meaning "burnt". The word for God in Hebrew was EL or Elohim. The earliest know Hebrew term for God was UL or Ulla. Moses was apparently given the name of God which was Jehovah or Yahweh or even Jah or Yah as the actual pronunciation is unknown as the Jews thought it too sacred pass their lips.

Interesting how some of these Essex words came into being. I know the name Brentwood comes from burntwood because they used to make charcoal there.