Bamber Country

[SUMMER]

campion, I have so enjoyed your posts about the history of the land.
I hope that you will do even more posts on this topic.
Maybe we will find that there is some link to our present day Jeremy!
Summer

[Roch]

the victorious always write the history.

I have realised that for a while about this case.

"Brithnoth, Duke of Northumberland, killed in battle by the Danes 991 AD"

Could it say 'Northumbria' as opposed to 'Northumberland'?  The former being a very large tract of Saxon northern England, whereas Northumberland is a large border county.

[grahameb]

I have realised that for a while about this case.

Could it say 'Northumbria' as opposed to 'Northumberland'?  The former being a very large tract of Saxon northern England, whereas Northumberland is a large border county.

Possibly for one thing it has been translated from the Latin and for a second spelling was not a priority in those days, thus the different ways of spelling Brithnoth. I should think that may spelling errors have been made in the writing of history as have many facts as campion points out.

[Chochokeira]

    Thurstable, the hundred that covers Heybridge, Langford, Wicham Bishops, Great and Little Totham,
Goldhanger, Tolleshunt Major, Tolleshunt Knights, Tolleshunt D'Arcy and Tollesbury takes it's name
according to Morant M.A. takes it's name from Thor, a Saxon deity and Stable, possibly from the common word stable. At the time of the survey for the Doomsday Book it was possessed by the King and had
four saltworks in it. In some records it is written turestapla.

    Thurs is an ancient fabled Norse warrior god whose strength in battle they feared. The battle of
Maldon, which the Vikings won against the Saxon's whose chieftan Brynoth according to legend, fought
with six warriors and a large black dog against overwhelming odds. This explanation is possibly closer
to the truth and may also give a clue to Thurstables origin as a defended territory of major significance,
why would the Vikings invade. Brynoth was killed close to the Osea Caravan park, amongst who's
owner's was none other than Jeremy.  Osea caravan park is located next to the river Blackwater where
the Viking longboats landed.   

Fascinating, Campion. Well done for this!

Something that interests me about Jeremy's ancestry is why would a mother, born in West Ham in 1913 who, at the age of around 18, has a baby in Tendring, Essex, a baby born on the wrong side of the bedsheets, give him the illustrious christian names:
Leslie Bertie Fitzroy?

Bertie's easy, that was her brother's name. But where does Fitzroy come from?

[boheme]

Great posts, fascinating to read.....

[Chochokeira]

The idea that Jeremy could have a had a life of luxury at Buckingham Palace with his birth parents as opposed to a mediocre life at WHF with Nevill and June is total nonsense.

The telephone directories for 1960 show Lieutenant Colonel L Marsham living in a run down flat at 5 Draycott Place SW3. Is this perhaps where it all began for Jeremy?

The previous year, in 1959, the electoral register shows the Lt Col living in an equally run down flat at 39 Palace Gardens Terrace which, though it sounds glamorous, looks like one of those drab, terraced bed and breakfast places that are common in Central London. 

[campion]

   Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!

[campion]

   I don't know if this will help with anyone else's research but the line I have been following is Jeremy's
granny's side of the family, the Speakmans. Mabel nee Bunting, Husband Leslie died in 1975. There is
a file on the Essex Council Seax history site. Apparently, Leslie's father Samuel Speakman married
Florence Ratcliffe, they are some type of farming dynasty.   

[Chochokeira]

   Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!

Fitzroy is Norman, I believe, Campers. It means son of the King. Jeremy's father's birth registration, however, does not include a middle inital 'F'.

[campion]

    Hot News. Part of Bamber country must include Colchester as that's where Jeremy and Julie met,
allegedly. Colchester with all its claims as the first capital of Britain from being the oldest recorded town, lacks medieval provenance. There is no doubt whatsoever of Roman occupation and that it was a
Colonia. I have reservations as to the authenticity as to its prominence in Iron Age Briton, Gosbecks
was the safest bet for an iron age town. This research is still in its embryonic stages, so there is much to
prove. The lack of involvement with monasteries in its early history suggests that its status has been
embellished somewhat and importance enhanced for economic gain and political gain. I do not believe for one moment that the Trinovante King lived there, for this reason. The Colne that Colchester lies
ons Port, the Hythe is also known as St Leonard's and St Leonard is a 6Th century Merovingian Saint
of prisoners. Colchester may well have been a prison used by Rome and at the dissolution of the
Monasteries and creation of the Church of England had its profile raised somewhat to cover up what had
really happened. Philip Morant who wrote the History and Antiquities of the County of Essex was born
on Jersey in 1700 and educated in Abingdon, England where he progressed to Pembroke College, Oxford
in 1717. Campion, Campion, you're drifting again, what does this have to do with Bamber. Aha, you may well ask and the answer is elementary. Bogus interpretation of facts, distortion of evidence, conspiracy
and all done in the name of God. Royal Arch Masons quake in your boots and as for you dippy university
history scholars, may your heads spin round in dispair. Cunobelin didn't live in Colchester, in fact his
coins were not minted in Colchester, his Kingdoms centre was somewhere else !   

[boheme]

Ha Ha, Draycot place is not at all run down, it is just off Sloane Avenue and the place is full of mansion blocks, if his old man lived there it is and was pretty smart in the 60's - and 2 minutes from the Kings Road !!

[Chochokeira]

   I don't know if this will help with anyone else's research but the line I have been following is Jeremy's
granny's side of the family, the Speakmans. Mabel nee Bunting, Husband Leslie died in 1975. There is
a file on the Essex Council Seax history site. Apparently, Leslie's father Samuel Speakman married
Florence Ratcliffe, they are some type of farming dynasty.

Samuel Speakman was born in Writtle, near Chelmsford in c 1865, Campion. He was the son of Henry H (born Chelmsford c 1835) and Ann Speakman. Henry's older brother, Thomas, (born c 1820), was a farmer. Henry is shown on the census as a young man, working for his brother as an assistant on the farm. Henry H's father appears to have been John Speakman, born in Essex in c 1796, a small farmer who farmed in the Moulsham area of Chelmsford.

[grahameb]

Fitzroy is Norman, I believe, Campers. It means son of the King. Jeremy's father's birth registration, however, does not include a middle inital 'F'.

You got that from the Robin Hood films

[campion]

   Choch, I made that just under an hour and a half for you to unlock the Speakmans family tree, do
the Bamberettes possess this skill cause they got as far as granny Speakman on their tree. Grahame
can you follow this with a link to the Dick Barton Theme tune ?

[SUMMER]

   Choch, All that I know about the Fitz part of a surname is it means son of, whether that is in or out of wedlock I don't know, but I think it was adopted after the Norman conquest and is used in the same
way that the scandinavians create surnames like Magnus Magnussohnn ( Magnus son of Magnus ).
Or it could be something to do with Irish gays, Michael Fitzpatrick and Patrick Fitzmichael. Yep, that is
about as poor as my writing gets !!!

campion, many times I have mulled over the possibilty that the actual blood lines of both Jeremy and
Sheila may be, in some way, central to this case.
If, for example, Jeremy did not commit the murders, is his bloodline the reason that "powers that be"
never want him to get out of prison?
Perhaps the same reasoning might apply even if "they" do think he did it?
Could he prove an immense embarrasment to powerful people?
Does the status quo continue as long as he is out of the way and in no position to do any sleuthing
about his true origins and how he ended up at White House Farm?
(Because he has proved himself to be very good at "sleuthung", even from a prison cell with no internet!)
The more times his appeals are denied, the more I am wondering "who is orchestrating his life long
incarceration" and on whose instructions are his grounds of appeal, at least up to the present time, repeatedly dashed?
Basically, no matter what his and even Sheila's birth certificates state - are they correct or fabrications?
I know that this is beginning to sound like  conspiracy theory territory, but what if there really is a much bigger picture than just the Bamber relatives and Julie Mugford, as was, wanting to keep him and perhaps even Sheila out of the
way for good!
I imagine that it would take a pretty important reason/person to keep this up for so long.
Summer