Sheila was the killer...

[curiousessex]

The number of shots to the heads of the victims gives a sense of "execution" to the shootings. Who would shoot sleeping children a number of times in the head with all shots being fatal........... This appears to be very cold and calculated. It seems the only resistance in terms of other body shots appearing on the victims are to both Neville and June. Both these, if I have read the stats correctly, had also received fatal head shots.

[Kaldin]

But IF two guns were used, what would that have to do with Jeremy Bamber? And I'm not saying that if Sheila used two guns, if she used any at all, that she would have used them at the same time

The thing about this crime is that it was either Jeremy or Sheila who committed the murders. There's no question of anyone else doing it. I can't imagine why Sheila would use two guns, so that would leave Jeremy and A N Other wouldn't it?

Anyway, I don't think that more than one gun was used - yet. I haven't seen any evidence of that, and I can't see why the police would cover that up.

Well, I don't know if two guns were used or not, but if Sheila was bleeding at 10am, it wasn't Jeremy or an accomplice was it?

Well that's a different issue entirely.

It's not been established for sure that she was bleeding at 10am - yet.

I don't know why anyone is trying to introduce the possibility of more than one gun being used.

[Kaldin]

The number of shots to the heads of the victims gives a sense of "execution" to the shootings. Who would shoot sleeping children a number of times in the head with all shots being fatal........... This appears to be very cold and calculated. It seems the only resistance in terms of other body shots appearing on the victims are to both Neville and June. Both these, if I have read the stats correctly, had also received fatal head shots.

Yes. Whoever did it was either in such a state that they didn't care but they still had a good aim, or they were very cold hearted indeed.

[mike tesko]

Police found Sheila's fingerprints on a number of guns at the scene

The following weapons which were found at the scene, were fingerprinted, and Sheila Caffells fingerprints were found on at least two different weapons, namely a 12 bore shotgun which the police recovered from inside the gun cupboard at whf on the morning of the shootings, and the Bamber rifle, which the police moved about, onto and off the body of Sheila...

A third weapon which the police are also known to have taken possession of, was a .22 air rifle - upon which it is also understood they found or lifted the fingerprints of Sheila Caffell...

For someone who has been portrayed as having no interest at all in guns, to be pondered is what she was doing carrying, or holding any of the aforementioned weapons, and more importantly, it begs the question, at what stage, did she handle all of these guns, at the scene?

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[Kaldin]

Police found Sheila's fingerprints on a number of guns at the scene

The following weapons which were found at the scene, were fingerprinted, and Sheila Caffells fingerprints were found on at least two different weapons, namely a 12 bore shotgun which the police recovered from inside the gun cupboard at whf on the morning of the shootings, and the Bamber rifle, which the police moved about, onto and off the body of Sheila...

A third weapon which the police are also known to have taken possession of, was a .22 air rifle - upon which it is also understood they found or lifted the fingerprints of Sheila Caffell...

For someone who has been portrayed as having no interest at all in guns, to be pondered is what she was doing carrying, or holding any of the aforementioned weapons, and more importantly, it begs the question, at what stage, did she handle all of these guns, at the scene?

I think it was one or more of the relatives who said she had no interest in guns, but I don't see what they would know about that, so I discounted that anyway.

I discount the shotgun as it was found in a cupboard and clearly the bullets didn't come from a shotgun. That does make me wonder though - was the shotgun in the same cupboard as silencer? If so, you'd think the police would have taken everything with them including the silencer.

Don't know much about air rifles. Where was it found exactly?

[mike tesko]

Officers report regarding Shooting incident downstairs

Essex police refuse to release details of an officers report, relating to a shooting incident downstairs at the scene...

To which shooting incident, this report actually refers is in dispute, as we speak, but it is known that someone discharged a 12 bore shotgun in the vicinity of whf at about 10 - 10:15pm, on the evening 6th August 1985, and that the police seized the 12 bore shotgun, from the gun cupboard at the scene, and a solitary (spent) 12 bore shotgun cartridge case, from inside the house...

In addition, police obtained a witness statement from a local resident who states that he heard a shotgun blast coming from the general direction of whf, at the aforementioned times...

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[andrea]

all shots were fired from close proximity. the shots to the boys were either contact or a few inches away. when mothers murder their children there nearly always a situation of "overkill".psychologist or psychiatrists are never suprised bythis element in a mother murdering her children scenario.

[mike tesko]

all shots were fired from close proximity. the shots to the boys were either contact or a few inches away. when mothers murder their children there nearly always a situation of "overkill".psychologist or psychiatrists are never suprised bythis element in a mother murdering her children scenario.

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Anyone firing bullets at someone from such close proximities, couldn't help but hit the target - it would not require the shooter to be a marksmen as alleged by the prosecution, and their supporters..

[andrea]

true, all the bullets fired into the victims that night had been from close range, how could she be expected to miss?

[Pete0001]

all shots were fired from close proximity. the shots to the boys were either contact or a few inches away. when mothers murder their children there nearly always a situation of "overkill".psychologist or psychiatrists are never suprised bythis element in a mother murdering her children scenario.

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Anyone firing bullets at someone from such close proximities, couldn't help but hit the target - it would not require the shooter to be a marksmen as alleged by the prosecution, and their supporters..

Yes... i agree... the sort of range we're talking about it would be hard to miss.

[mike tesko]

all shots were fired from close proximity. the shots to the boys were either contact or a few inches away. when mothers murder their children there nearly always a situation of "overkill".psychologist or psychiatrists are never suprised bythis element in a mother murdering her children scenario.

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Anyone firing bullets at someone from such close proximities, couldn't help but hit the target - it would not require the shooter to be a marksmen as alleged by the prosecution, and their supporters..

Yes... i agree... the sort of range we're talking about it would be hard to miss.

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To be fair to the views of others, it would be fair to say that it would be somewhat impossible for anyone to miss, if they fired bullets into victims, at such close quarters...

[Kaldin]

It's not so much the closeness to the victims I'm thinking of, it's more the state of mind of the killer. Someone in a rage might just shoot indiscriminately without bothering to aim properly, or they might shoot the walls or ceiling just to let off some steam. Although the amount of shots and the carnage suggests someone going "berserk", there's also a cold and calculating element to it. 

[bb2010]

It's not so much the closeness to the victims I'm thinking of, it's more the state of mind of the killer. Someone in a rage might just shoot indiscriminately without bothering to aim properly, or they might shoot the walls or ceiling just to let off some steam. Although the amount of shots and the carnage suggests someone going "berserk", there's also a cold and calculating element to it.

Yes I agree with that.

[Kaldin]

Mike DRH/19 bullit case found on kitchen table is that correct,Mike can you post a infantory of where the bullit cases were found if you have one,sorry to ask if you already have the reader just can not find it...

There are some drawings on page 6 of this thread if that helps.

[Kaldin]

I don't understand this drawing. There seems to be more than 13 bullet cases in it. Am I looking at it wrong?