Sheila was the killer...

[Kaldin]

Bullet cases

The ballistic expert, examined the 25 bullet cases which allegedly formed part and parcel of the batch of crime scene ammunition, and found marks upon them, which were compared against marks found upon control ammunition fired via the Bamber rifle, during official test firings of the said weapon, and control ammunition, on and after 20th September 1985...

These test firings became known as "The official test firings", and Fletcher concluded that all 25 of these bullet cases, had at some stage been loaded into the magazine of the weapon, fired, and ejected from the gun...

So he was saying that all the 25 bullets were fired from the same rifle.

[mike tesko]

Possible Contradiction

The conclusions arrived at by the ballistic expert, regarding these matters, were problematic...

There were ten (10) bullets which he could not link or associate to the Bamber rifle, yet all 25 bullet cases which he says he examined, had been loaded and fired via the Bamber rifle, before being ejected at the scene - thereby allowing him to conclude that the 25 wounds inflicted upon the five victims had all been caused by 25 bullets fired from the same gun...

[mike tesko]

False Declaration made by Ballistics expert

A witness statement exists in which the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher states that he was not aware when the Bamber riffle, had last been fired prior to the occasion when he examined it, and test fired it, prior to the 20th September 1985, during the official test firing of the rifle, and control bullets...

Yet despite this claim...

Lab' records show that there was an earlier test firing of the said weapon, and control bullets, which we now know to have taken place on or around 11th September 1985...

At, on, and after this date (11th September 1985) and before 19th September 1985, a total of eleven (11) bullet cases had been examined, by checking markings found on control bullet cases, which had been loaded and fired an ejected from the Bamber rifle, on 11th September 1985, with a view to establishing if marks found on control bullet cases loaded, fired and ejected from the Bamber rifle, matched those found on these original 11 bullet cases, under examination and review, between 11th and 19th September 1985...

All of this information was contained in "General Examination Reports" for each of these 11  individual bullet cases, which were examined, prior to 20th September 1985...

These eleven bullet cases, were examined as part of tests carried out with the Bamber rifle, and control ammunition, which have become known as "THE UNOFFICIAL TEST FIRINGS OF THE BAMBER RIFLE AND CONTROL AMMUNITION"

Malcolm Fletcher's. signature. appears on all eleven (11) of these General examination records, and so despite him stating that prior to the 20th September 1985, that he did not know, when the Bamber rifle had last been fired, prior to the official test firings of the same weapon, with control ammunition, on 20th September 1985 - he lied...

Furthermore, on and after 20th September 1985, Fletcher did not carry out any examination, or make any comparison checks against any markings found on such bullet cases, of this eleven (11) bullet cases - so, he did know when the Bamber rifle had last been fired prior to 20th September 1985, because his signature appears on each of the "General Examination Records" for those eleven bullet cases...

Why and for what reason, did the ballistic expert lie about these matters?

[31Gr19l64Kw]

mike/kaldin the reader is sorry to read of the displeasures that seem to exist  it is possible that you are both correct in your comments as to sequence of the five double marked bullit cases subject to further information requested.
Firstly mike your posting so far have been without question  in content and comment as to be creditable,The reader can also understand where Kaldin is coming from but to suggest that Shelia Caffell may have unloaded the magazine and reload as to pursue a bullit count that would create 10 double marked bullits at best or five tripple and five double marked cases,for the time being study the bullit weight descriptions of which the reader is sure you have done Mike...

[Kaldin]

mike/kaldin the reader is sorry to read of the displeasures that seem to exist  it is possible that you are both correct in your comments as to sequence of the five double marked bullit cases subject to further information requested.
Firstly mike your posting so far have been without question  in content and comment as to be creditable,The reader can also understand where Kaldin is coming from but to suggest that Shelia Caffell may have unloaded the magazine and reload as to pursue a bullit count that would create 10 double marked bullits at best or five tripple and five double marked cases,for the time being study the bullit weight descriptions of which the reader is sure you have done Mike...

I didn't say the whole magazine had been loaded and reloaded. I know that didn't happen otherwise there would have been ten double-marked bullets. I do think it's possible that some bullets were taken back out when being loaded though and put back in again. I said that might have occurred because they were put in crookedly.

[mike tesko]

Failure to Link any Crime scene bullet Cases to Crime scene bullets

No work was carried out, or conducted, with a view of trying to match any of the 25 bullet cases, to any of the 25 bullets, which all formed part and parcel of the batch of crime scene ammunition...

It should have been possible, to link or associate these bullet cases, with the corresponding bullets, by reference to crimping marks, and the quality of gun powder found on the base of the bullets, as opposed to gun powder for in the bullet cases - but no such work was ever carried out...

[mike tesko]

Possible Discrepancies

Only 15 of the 25 crime scene bullet cases could be linked to the Bamber rifle, leaving ten others which may have been fired via another gun...

It is not clear, that if all 25 bullet cases which had been loaded and fired and ejected via th Bamber rifle, were actually loaded and fired and ejected during the incident when five victims all lost their lives, or if some of these bullet cases, were loaded, and fired, and ejected, during unofficial test firings which took place at the lab' on or between 11th and 19th September 1985...

[Kaldin]

If more than one gun was used I would think that would point to Jeremy and an accomplice. A dangerous road to go down really ...

[Kaldin]

If more than one gun was used I would think that would point to Jeremy and an accomplice. A dangerous road to go down really ...

IMO it doesn't point to that at all - it was the police who made out there was only one gun involved, not Jeremy. There were several guns in the house/guns removed/guns returned.

I think it would point to that. Why would Sheila use two guns?

I see nothing to suggest that all the bullets did not come from the one rifle. Some could not be attributed to the rifle but they were mostly ones which were not whole. I don't really buy any implication that some cartridges were planted to make it look as if they came from one gun.

[mike tesko]

MDF/100 - 14 bullet cases

In 2003, Jeremy was informed that there still existed no less than 14 bullet cases at Huntingdon Lab', which could be linked to the investigation - yet, 1n 1996, Essex police are supposed to have destroyed all of the crime scene ammunition, even though they they were instructed not to do so...

The only other exhibit, which the ballistic expert, Malcolm Fletcher produced during th case, was a cloth pull-through, alleging to have been obtained from the barrel of the Bamber rifle, shortly after the official test firing of it, around 20th September 1985, which bore the exhibit reference, MDF/1...

Trouble is...

The Bamber rifle had already been test fired, when control bullets had been fired via it, as part of the unofficial test firings, which Fletcher knew had been performed on or about the 11th September 1985. Fletcher therefore, deliberately misled the court when he referred to the significance of the cloth pull-through MDF/1), by falsely claiming that he h did not know when the last time the Bamber rifle had been fired prior to him performing the cloth pull-through test...

Fletcher knew that there had very recently been an unofficial test firing of the Bamber rifle, a matter of days before he had performed the cloth pull-through test (MDF/1) and that at such times, any blood which may have been present inside the barrel of th Bamber rifle, would almost certainly have been blasted out of the barrel as a result of control ammunition being blasted out through it...

Fletcher claim that the cloth pull-through was clean, and that if there had been any blood found inside the silencer it would have showed up on the cloth, was designed to aid the prosecutions claim that the gun must have been fitted with a silencer at the time of the shootings...

There is no record at all of any other exhibits bearing th exhibit references, MDF/2 to MDF/99, respectively...

[Kaldin]

If more than one gun was used I would think that would point to Jeremy and an accomplice. A dangerous road to go down really ...

IMO it doesn't point to that at all - it was the police who made out there was only one gun involved, not Jeremy. There were several guns in the house/guns removed/guns returned.

I think it would point to that. Why would Sheila use two guns?

I see nothing to suggest that all the bullets did not come from the one rifle. Some could not be attributed to the rifle but they were mostly ones which were not whole. I don't really buy any implication that some cartridges were planted to make it look as if they came from one gun.

You said "If more than one gun was used I would think that would point to Jeremy and an accomplice"

Why Jeremy? What evidence do you have to support this? And why is it impossible for Sheila to have used 2 guns?

If two guns were used, that would raise the question that two people were there - that seems obvious to me. I can't see Sheila going mad with two or more guns - one would be bad enough.

I'm not suggesting there were two guns used, it's others who are suggesting that. I don't think there were. I'm just saying that claiming there were two guns won't do Jeremy any favours.

[mike tesko]

Stats'

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[Pete0001]

Lots of info there... good post.

[Pete0001]

Those maps of the bullet placings really do show a frenzied illogical attack taking place... its hard to imagine a sane person ding damage like that even if they wanted to commit murder.

[Kaldin]

But IF two guns were used, what would that have to do with Jeremy Bamber? And I'm not saying that if Sheila used two guns, if she used any at all, that she would have used them at the same time

The thing about this crime is that it was either Jeremy or Sheila who committed the murders. There's no question of anyone else doing it. I can't imagine why Sheila would use two guns, so that would leave Jeremy and A N Other wouldn't it?

Anyway, I don't think that more than one gun was used - yet. I haven't seen any evidence of that, and I can't see why the police would cover that up.