Documentary evidence which proves relatives knew about silencer on 9/8/85...

[mike tesko]

If you can bring yourselves to accept that there exist at least two photographs of Sheila on the bed both not displaying any signs of blood leakage from the corners of her mouth, or nose, a picture begins to emerge to the effect that Sheila wa on the bed with one wound to her neck, and that her body was potentially on the bed with only a solitary wound between 8:44am to at the very least 9:05am. I arrive at this conclusion based on what the police surgeon, Dr Craig, and PI 'Bob' Miller have said, and what DC `Mick` Clarke told Ann eaton, on 7th August 1985?

[curiousessex]

If you can bring yourselves to accept that there exist at least two photographs of Sheila on the bed both not displaying any signs of blood leakage from the corners of her mouth, or nose, a picture begins to emerge to the effect that Sheila wa on the bed with one wound to her neck, and that her body was potentially between 8:44am to at the very least 9:05am. I arrive at this conclusion based on what the police surgeon, Dr Craig, and PI 'Bob' Miller have said, and what DC `Mick` Clarke told Ann eaton, on 7th August 1985?

Just accepting there are two alleged photographs of Sheila on the bed with a single gunshot wound does not do Jeremy any good. I have said previously these are DYNAMITE and would ensure Jeremy being released immediately and without any question, in my opinion.

The alternative is we move from stating 'alleged' photographs to accepting 'existing' photographs and the forum carries on discussing Jeremy's case for however long that may be.

[mike tesko]

Then...

Somewhere along the way, Sheila was photographed with two wounds on her neck, and the barrel of the rifle in at last two different positions against her neck, and blood running from the corners of her mouth - her body is by this stage on the bedroom floor...

[curiousessex]

Then...

Somewhere along the way, Sheila was photographed with two wounds on her neck, and the barrel of the rifle in at last two different positions against her neck, and blood running from the corners of her mouth - her body is by this stage on the bedroom floor...

It is the unseen 'alleged' / 'existing' photographs that are the important ones. The others are posted on the forum and there is no doubt as to them existing.

[Roch]

Might Clark not just have said 'far side of bed' or 'on far side of bed' in which case he would be possibly repeating Miller / Taff Jones?  It is an ambiguous description which unfortunately falls inside being in favour of the official version of events.  Because Sheila was found on the far side of the bed, if we interpret 'side' as literally meaning the side part of a bed.

[mike tesko]

Then...

Somewhere along the way, Sheila was photographed with two wounds on her neck, and the barrel of the rifle in at least two different positions against her neck, and blood running from the corners of her mouth - her body is by this stage on the bedroom floor...

Then, of course...

We have the `CPR` episode, which so rather conveniently falls into sequence in the grand scheme of things, so that at some point after Sheila has been photographed on the bed, with only one wound to her neck, Sheila is moved to the bedroom floor, and she sustains a second injury under her chin, the barrel of the rifle is photographed in at least two different positions against, or in the region of her neck. No-one appears to have been the slightest bit interested in Sheila`s condition, or welfare, even directly after she was fatally wounded, or at least not until someone realized that once the second entry wound under the chin was/had been inflicted, fresh looking blood started to run and leak and pour from the upper entry wound beneath the chin and the corners of her mouth...

Then...

Somebody appears to have taken a direct interest in Sheila's condition and welfare, perhaps she was not dead, afterall?

Apply 'CPR`...

You get my drift, and know where I am coming from, surely to god?

[mike tesko]

Might Clark not just have said 'far side of bed' or 'on far side of bed' in which case he would be possibly repeating Miller / Taff Jones?  It is an ambiguous description which unfortunately falls inside being in favour of the official version of events.  Because Sheila was found on the far side of the bed, if we interpret 'side' as literally meaning the side part of a bed.

I have stood at the cross road you are speaking about, I have looked left and right, I have looked up and down, I have looked this way and that way, ok - let's say Sheila`s body, by this interpretation was on the bedroom floor, we still have Sheila on the bedroom floor with only a solitary wound to her neck...

[mike tesko]

I have stood at the cross road you are speaking about, I have looked left and right, I have looked up and down, I have looked this way and that way, ok - let's say Sheila`s body, by this interpretation was on the bedroom floor, we still have Sheila on the bedroom floor with only a solitary wound to her neck...

I have personally seen two different photographs of Sheila's body on the bed - with no blood running or leaking or  pouring from the corners of her mouth...

So at what stage was Sheila put onto, or found on the bed?

[Roch]

Then, of course...

We have the `CPR` episode, which so rather conveniently falls into sequence in the grand scheme of things, so that at some point after Sheila has been photographed on the bed, with only one wound to her neck, Sheila is moved to the bedroom floor, and she sustains a second injury under her chin, the barrel of the rifle is photographed in at least two different positions against, or in the region of her neck. No-one appears to have been the slightest bit interested in Sheila`s condition, or welfare, even directly after she was fatally wounded, or at least not until someone realized that once the second entry wound under the chin was/had been inflicted, fresh looking blood started to run and leak and pour from the upper entry wound beneath the chin and the corners of her mouth...

Then...

Somebody appears to have taken a direct interest in Sheila's condition and welfare, perhaps she was not dead, afterall?

Apply 'CPR`...

You get my drift, and know where I am coming from, surely to god?

Mike, there is no proof available to us that CPR occurred.

[mike tesko]

Mike, there is no proof available to us that CPR occurred.

With respect, I believe some evidence that CPR was or may have been applied to Sheila once she had been shot for the second time, by reference to the amounts of additional blood which escaped from around Sheila`s mouth and two entry wounds on her neck, aa displayed in the still taken from the crime scene video?  There is no doubt that Sheila's body was still in situ at the scene, with her head close to the bottom edge of the bedroom door, with no rifle atop her body, and all this additional blood in the right sort of areas if CPR had been applied?

Although a crime scene video was taken, and documentary evidence exists to confirm that such a video was taken, for some obscure reason the video contents have not been disclosed to Jeremy or to those representing his interests. All we have in the public domain thus far is the still image of Sheila`s body,  with evidence of all this additional blood running and escaping from the corners of her mouth, and from two entry wounds on her neck, which is not visible in the standard images taken by use of a police camera, rather than a video camera?

So...

You do not have to be a genius to work it out when all this additional blood ended up on Sheila`s face and neck?

Applied CPR was the cause for why all this additional blood ended up on her face and neck later rather sooner...

[Newbury1]

3) Did your informant give you a copy of the photo of SC on the bed?

(3) - no

Thanks for that answer.

[grahameb]

3) Did your informant give you a copy of the photo of SC on the bed?

Thanks for that answer.

Why not I wonder?

[Newbury1]

Why not I wonder?

Come on Grahame we know why not - really, don't we!

I wish I could draw cartoon's as good as Mike as I would like to title one - "pigs might fly!"

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Come on Grahame we know why not - really, don't we!

I wish I could draw cartoon's as good as Mike as I would like to title one - "pigs might fly!"

I know you don't believe there is such a photo Nick but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand just yet. It bothers me that Sheila was "found" on the floor. It makes more sense to me that you would lay on a bed if you were going to take your own life.

Alternatively, if you believe that JB did it. Why would you he stage her suicide on the floor? The more logical place to me would be the bed.

This together with early reports that Sheila was found on the bed make me optimistic that such a photo might indeed exists. This is just the kind of evidence I think which would guarantee JB a "get out of jail" card.

[Newbury1]

I know you don't believe there is such a photo Nick but I don't want to dismiss it out of hand just yet. It bothers me that Sheila was "found" on the floor. It makes more sense to me that you would lay on a bed if you were going to take your own life.

Alternatively, if you believe that JB did it. Why would you he stage her suicide on the floor? The more logical place to me would be the bed.

This together with early reports that Sheila was found on the bed make me optimistic that such a photo might indeed exists. This is just the kind of evidence I think which would guarantee JB a "get out of jail" card.

Janet, fair point and nicely written.

I agree with a lot that you state and even if you were staging a suicide it would look better on the bed.

AE even refers to SC being on the bed in her statement - so no problem so far (unless she misheard the policeman) and please bear in mind this statement was available at trial and yet JB's defence does not seem to have referred to it at all!

I do believe EP had a hand in moving SC's body on the floor, but not to blame JB at the time, they had to fall back on JB stage managing the body due to the photographic evidence.

So, when it became 5 murders EP thought do we show the photo of SC on the bed or on the floor -  Oh! show the one on the floor that has two bullet wounds showing and who commits suicide with two shots - we've got him on that. What about the one of her on the bed - Oh! stick that in the hidden file, no one will find it.

And it is the fact that the alleged photo is meant to allegedly show just one wound that bothers me as the story (and that's all it is) clearly suggests police foul play and therefore JB innocent.

Please also consider that this photo is meant to have been with Ewen Smith (JB's solicitor at the time) - no evidence - with Z - no real evidence of Z never mind his copy of the photo (but he is on some CCTV footage somewhere - that we will never get to see!).

The photo(s) at least 2 have been around for 25+ years and never surfaced - unbelievable!!

This is why I am sceptical.

I hope this post has come over reasonably as I am getting a little peeved with this photo story!!