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Offline mike tesko

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The Stage managing of Ralph Bamber, by the police in the Kitchen

When police peered into the kitchen from the vantage point of outside the kitchen window, just before armed police smashed down an external door that led into the farmhouse, they would not have been able to see the body of Ralph Bamber, which was sat perched upon a large wooden chair in a blind spot behind an internal kitchen door, through which the armed police would eventually pass through to get into the kitchen, at precisely, 7:37am...

If Ralph Bamber had been alive at that stage, and he had got his eyes open, he would not have been to see the policeman standing outside the bedroom window, looking into the kitchen ...

The police man would not have been able to see Ralph Bamber, and Ralph Bamber would not have been able to see the policeman - this is because that part of the kitchen where Ralph's body was sat perched upon a chair was situated in a blind spot...

Once the police smashed down the external door to the farmhouse, ordinarily they would have gone into the building and turned sharp right through a connecting door that led into the kitchen but there was something very heavy behind the door which delayed access to the kitchen area for up to seven minutes - this object was the body of Ralph Bamber which was sat on a chair behind the door...

It took several minutes for the police to push and dislodge Ralph's body from the chair which toppled him and sent him tumbling to the kitchen floor...

At 7:37am, a message was passed from within the farmhouse, that police inside had discovered the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female...

Between 7:37am, and about 7:45am, other messages were being passed around to confirm that police had found two bodies upon entry into the premises, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female, which they described as being a murder, and a suicide...

By 8:10am, another three bodies were found upstairs, making five dead in total...
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 08:09:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Stage managing of Ralph Bamber, by the police in the Kitchen...
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2011, 08:24:PM »
Pathologist states that there were no injuries at all from the rim of the metal coal bucket, found to be present upon the face or head of Ralph Bamber

To be pondered, is how could Ralph Bambers head and face, have fallen directly into the metal coal bucket, without so much as a scratch being caused, or found upon his face, or his head, or any other part of his body, from it coming into direct contact with the metal coal bucket?

Ralph Bambers bloodied head, was deliberately placed into the coal bucket, with a view of trying to control a vast amount of blood which was currently leaking, and flowing and running from several wounds which he had received to his head and body - it must have been very clear to the police who first found and came upon the body of Ralph Bamber, that he had not long since died...

Members of the raid team who first entered the kitchen at whf, deny that they touched or moved the body of Ralph Bamber, so how did Ralph end up with his face and head in a coal bucket, without any injuries from the coal bucket at all to his face and head?

Blood began to pool around the base of the metal coal bucket, and to spread around on the kitchen floor - so someone, used a number of cushion covers, from the wooden chairs, and a towel, and a pair of cotton trousers, to place on the floor, in that vicinity, with a view to preventing all the blood from spreading further afield...

Strangely enough, members of the raid team who first went into the farmhouse that morning, deny that they moved or touched anything, certainly not any of them, who had put the cushion covers, and the towel, and the pair of cotton trousers, down on the kitchen floor, to try and control the spread of blood, from Ralph Bambers wounds...

Scenes of crime officers (SOCO) who took control of the scene from 10 O'clock, onward, deny they moved or touched anything...

And so, this leads us to the role which was played inside whf, by that mystery group of men, who we now know went there, at 9:00am to 9:22am, to carry out a re-enactment of the original firearms operation, with a view to identifying problems, or mistakes, which had been made at the time of the initial entry, with a view to improving technique in any future firearms operations...

Duties which were referred to as "police  informatives"...

There were five members, of this mystery group, of other firearms officers...

They are understood to have arrived at the scene in a police vehicle, bearing the call sign, QK/50, or something similar......

Just out of interest, by the time someone had positioned Ralph's head and face inside that coal bucket, near to the corner of the aga, if anyone had been standing outside the kitchen window, and looking in on the kitchen view, they would be able to see the body of Ralph crouched over with his head in the coal bucket, and if Ralph had got his head turned and he had not been dead, and he had got his eyes open, and if he had been looking back in the direction of the kitchen window, Ralph would have been able to see a person standing outside the kitchen window...

It should be pointed out, that the body of Ralph Bamber had been in two different positions and locations between the moment police inside the farmhouse (1) toppled his body over from behind the internal kitchen door, and to how (2) Ralph ended up with his face, and head, inside the coal bucket, near the corner of the aga....

Ralph's body could not possibly have been seen from the vantage point of the kitchen window, when his body was in position (1), but it could be seen with Ralph's body in position (2)...

Once this situation is grasped, it helps to identify the reason why PC Collins, introduced a possible explanation for the claim that two bodies had been found downstairs, the body of a dead male and the body of a dead female, by claiming that when he looked or peered through the kitchen window, he saw a body which he reported as being a dead female, which he says once he got into the premises he realized that the body was in fact the body of Ralph Bamber - this could only have been true, if the body he had seen was with Ralph at6 position (2), not at position (1), since, with Ralph's body at the latter position, PC Collins would not have been able to see a body at all, to be able to make a claim of gender, one way or the other...

It would appear to me, that someone, stage managed the body of Ralph Bamber, by placing his head into the coal bucket, and that this stage managing must have taken place after the police entered the kitchen at whf, and therefore, the explanation which was later introduced by PC Collins, about him misidentifying Ralph's body, for the body of a dead female, is false and misleading one...

With Ralph Bambers head and face stuck in the metal coal bucket, his body could not have sufficiently obstructed the internal kitchen door and prevented the police from gaining entry into the kitchen for up to seven minutes - therefore, Ralph's body was moved, more than once, it was displaced when the raid team toppled it from behind the door, and it was moved and stage managed for a second time when someone put Ralph's head and face into the metal coal bucket (without causing any injuries to be sustained by this action)...

By the time SOC took control of the scene at and from 10 O'clock, that morning, the internal door through which members of the raid team, had gained entry into the kitchen, and behind which was sat perched the body of Ralph Bamber, was blocked off, by the presence of a large wooden chair, which had somehow, become transported from out of nowhere, and pushed up to the back of the internal door, as if to prove a point that no-one was to come through that door, or could have come through that door at all...

If Members of the raid team, did not move or touch anything, and Scenes of crime did not move or touch anything - who was responsible for placing that wooden chair against the door in the interim period?




« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 08:55:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The Stage managing of Ralph Bamber, by the police in the Kitchen...
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2011, 08:38:PM »
Good evening.  :)

Mike, is there a map of the layout of the farmhouse anywhere?

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« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2011, 08:48:PM »
Good evening.  :)

Mike, is there a map of the layout of the farmhouse anywhere?
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Kaldin:- hi, yes, I will post a copy for everyone to view shortly (upstairs and down)...
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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2011, 08:56:PM »
Good evening.  :)

Mike, is there a map of the layout of the farmhouse anywhere?
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Kaldin:- hi, yes, I will post a copy for everyone to view shortly (upstairs and down)...

Thank you! It's hard to follow what happened without the layout.

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Re: The Stage managing of Ralph Bamber, by the police in the Kitchen...
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2011, 08:58:PM »
Mantlepiece was Deliberately scratched

Someone deliberately marked the aga surround, at a later date, to enable the silencer to be used as a prop, to help convict Jeremy of these murders...
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Re: The Stage managing of Ralph Bamber, by the police in the Kitchen...
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2011, 09:02:PM »
Hand drawn plan of rooms at whf, as produced by Jeremy to the police at the scene, on the morning of 7th August 1985

Detailing rooms upstairs and downstairs, including weapons, which should have been present inside the farmhouse...

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« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2011, 09:07:PM »
Thank you!

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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2011, 09:12:PM »
Thank you!
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2011, 09:17:PM »
That's brilliant - thanks Mike. You just answered my question about where Sheila's body was.

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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2011, 09:20:PM »
That's brilliant - thanks Mike. You just answered my question about where Sheila's body was.
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Kaldin:- I believe that Sheila's body was originally seen through the kitchen window behind the internal kitchen door depicted by the path of yellow in the attached plan view...
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2011, 09:23:PM »
That's brilliant - thanks Mike. You just answered my question about where Sheila's body was.
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Kaldin:- I believe that Sheila's body was originally seen through the kitchen window behind the internal kitchen door depicted by the path of yellow in the attached plan view...

I'm not so sure about that Mike. It could have happened, but I don't think she shot herself in the kitchen and then again upstairs because all the blood on her body is flowing in the same direction.

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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2011, 09:24:PM »
It's a strange house. It looks much posher from the outside.

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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2011, 09:39:PM »
That's brilliant - thanks Mike. You just answered my question about where Sheila's body was.
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Kaldin:- I believe that Sheila's body was originally seen through the kitchen window behind the internal kitchen door depicted by the path of yellow in the attached plan view...

I'm not so sure about that Mike. It could have happened, but I don't think she shot herself in the kitchen and then again upstairs because all the blood on her body is flowing in the same direction.

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Wound to side of neck, became sealed with a clotted plug of dried blood after Sheila was shot downstairs, which became detached once she was shot upstairs, the plug of dried blood becoming displaced to a different part of her throat at the time of the second fatal shot, or soon afterwards - producing blood running from both wounds in the same general direction...
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2011, 09:44:PM »
That's brilliant - thanks Mike. You just answered my question about where Sheila's body was.
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Kaldin:- I believe that Sheila's body was originally seen through the kitchen window behind the internal kitchen door depicted by the path of yellow in the attached plan view...

I'm not so sure about that Mike. It could have happened, but I don't think she shot herself in the kitchen and then again upstairs because all the blood on her body is flowing in the same direction.

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Wound to side of neck, became sealed with a clotted plug of dried blood after Sheila was shot downstairs, which became detached once she was shot upstairs, the plug of dried blood becoming displaced to a different part of her throat at the time of the second fatal shot, or soon afterwards - producing blood running from both wounds in the same general direction...

You mean the first wound didn't bleed at all at first? There's no sign of blood on the front of her nightdress. I suppose what you suggest is possible. It does seem odd that the police said there were two bodies downstairs.