cloth pull through of guns barrel - unreliable in view of tests

[vidvic]

No, it didn't come out in court that Jeremy was a small time drugs dealer, not to the extent that the police knew he had been dealing in supplying quantities of cannabis, no...

So, something else that I've been told by relatives is verified as being true.

[grahameb]

So, something else that I've been told by relatives is verified as being true.

Did they tell you Julie Mugford was involved in that as well? This has been known for some time by the way. But it doesn't make him guilty of murder. Although it could be another example that they didn't like him?

[mike tesko]

So, something else that I've been told by relatives is verified as being true.

Another way of looking at this is to say there is evidence in the file that he was a small time drugs dealer - relatives could have got this information from the police...

Relatives hadn't got a clue that Jeremy was a small time drugs dealer until after the nature of the investiagtion changed from SC/688/85 into SC/786/85, as far as I know?

[jon]

So, something else that I've been told by relatives is verified as being true.

Is this Hartley or Vidvic speaking ?

[grahameb]

Another way of looking at this is to say there is evidence in the file that he was a small time drugs dealer - relatives could hav got this information from the police...

Well of course they did. Or they would have shopped him as all good citizens would.

[mike tesko]

Well of course they did. Or they would have shopped him as good all citizens would.

Yes, precisely, which is what Jeremy's neighbour did in mid July 1985...

Neighbour took two photographs of the cannabis plants which Jeremy was growing in his back garden and handed these pictures to the police, which is what sparked off the 28 day surveillance from mid to late August 1985...

[vidvic]

Another way of looking at this is to say there is evidence in the file that he was a small time drugs dealer - relatives could have got this information from the police...

Relatives hadn't got a clue that Jeremy was a small time drugs dealer until after the nature of the investiagtion changed from SC/688/85 into SC/786/85, as far as I know?

No Mike, money was arriving in envelopes and one was sent to someone by mistake.

[mike tesko]

No Mike, money was arriving in envelopes and one was sent to someone by mistake.

I know about that one envelope that got sent to the wrong address by mistake, but relatives didn't learn about that until later, it was sent by someone named McLean who lived in Stirling area of Scotland, and police checked him out and took a witness statement which I have got reference to in the file...

Hector McLean, that was/is the name of the chap who sent that money to Jeremy from Scotland, it was £100 for some cannabis I think that Jeremy agreed to send him...

[grahameb]

Yes, precisely, which is what Jeremy's neighbour did in mid July 1985...

Neighbour took two photographs of the cannabis plants which Jeremy was growing in his back garden and handed these pictures to the police, which is what sparked off the 28 day surveillance from mid to late August 1985...

I didn't think you could grow cannabis in the back garden? Indian hemp yes if you like smoking old rope.

[mike tesko]

I didn't think you could grow cannabis in the back garden? Indian hemp yes if you like smoking old rope.

Neighbours account to police was/is that Jeremy was growing cannabis in his back garden, although that doesn't mean it was cannabis, I am only reporting the facts which are documented...

[Reader]

I pointed out that for Jeremy to call the Police at 3.36 and still get to WHF at 4.48 was virtually impossible without powered flight.

I assume you meant 3:48. Mike has posted a video of himself driving (not flying) the same journey in well under 8 minutes. That leaves about 4 1/2 minutes for Jeremy's call to Pc West (or a bit longer if 3:48 was when the police car overtook Jeremy's car rather than when Jeremy reached where the police had parked near the farm). Pc West didn't log the duration of the call, only the start time of 3:36. Ann later made a note about the police taking 11 minutes to respond, but that tells us nothing about the duration of Jeremy's call.