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Offline ngb1066

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #285 on: January 30, 2012, 11:10:AM »
Except apparently in the case of the explanation of rabbit's blood on the silencer?

As Cliff says a hollowpoint bullet is very effective and a rabbit or rat will normally be cleanly killed if hit by one.  However if the shot is badly placed (normally with a rabbit a head shot is taken so accuracy is important) the animal can be left incapacitated but still alive.  It then needs to be dispatched quickly and humanely. There are different ways of achieving this but a second shot as close range is possible.

We should remember here that the quantities of blood we are talking about are very small.  They were not necessarily deposited on and in the silencer at the same time.  A likely source of blood contamination is by transfer from the shooter himself.  For example a rabbit or rat of fox is shot, the body is then picked up by the shooter, who continues to handle the rifle and sound moderator.  If the sound moderator is dismantled to clean or check for fouling of the baffles the components have to be handled by the shooter.

When the sound moderator was dismantled by the police before it was forwarded to the laboratory there was a further opportunity for contamination, particular if (as seems likely) the sound moderator was handled on the same bench or surface as the rifle.

     

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #286 on: January 30, 2012, 06:00:PM »
Mike I had no beef about that,just you saying it WAS a picture of him screwing together the two items before 28(?)sept. Besides as Choc points out,the picture is off topic?


I would never suggest that Mike is off topic, Tonyb. This is Mike's forum, he can post about whatever he likes, it's you and I that were going off topic.

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #287 on: January 30, 2012, 07:09:PM »
As Cliff says a hollowpoint bullet is very effective and a rabbit or rat will normally be cleanly killed if hit by one.  However if the shot is badly placed (normally with a rabbit a head shot is taken so accuracy is important) the animal can be left incapacitated but still alive.  It then needs to be dispatched quickly and humanely. There are different ways of achieving this but a second shot as close range is possible.

We should remember here that the quantities of blood we are talking about are very small.  They were not necessarily deposited on and in the silencer at the same time.  A likely source of blood contamination is by transfer from the shooter himself.  For example a rabbit or rat of fox is shot, the body is then picked up by the shooter, who continues to handle the rifle and sound moderator.  If the sound moderator is dismantled to clean or check for fouling of the baffles the components have to be handled by the shooter.

When the sound moderator was dismantled by the police before it was forwarded to the laboratory there was a further opportunity for contamination, particular if (as seems likely) the sound moderator was handled on the same bench or surface as the rifle.

   
Was it actually known by the court that the policeman took the silencer to bits? If not where is the documented information that shows he did?

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #288 on: January 30, 2012, 08:32:PM »

I would never suggest that Mike is off topic, Tonyb. This is Mike's forum, he can post about whatever he likes, it's you and I that were going off topic.
Surely I can respond to aspects of mikes post in this thread? Mike intro'd the photos and I replied to it.i never thought it was off topic but I was trying to draw a line under it.i was hoping you were too....
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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #289 on: January 30, 2012, 08:45:PM »
Surely I can respond to aspects of mikes post in this thread? Mike intro'd the photos and I replied to it.i never thought it was off topic but I was trying to draw a line under it.i was hoping you were too....

I suppose so... :D

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #290 on: January 30, 2012, 09:15:PM »
Don't enjoy the cold weather.

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« Reply #291 on: January 30, 2012, 10:28:PM »
Thank choc xx

You're welcome, Tonyb xx

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #292 on: January 31, 2012, 09:46:AM »
Was it actually known by the court that the policeman took the silencer to bits? If not where is the documented information that shows he did?

Is this the sort of 'documented information' you are looking for Grahame?

It was posted by Mike on page 8 of this thread. He also states that the photograph was not made available to the defense or the jury.

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #293 on: January 31, 2012, 09:59:AM »
Is this the sort of 'documented information' you are looking for Grahame?

It was posted by Mike on page 8 of this thread. He also states that the photograph was not made available to the defense or the jury.
Thanks Janet. The fate on that photo is 29-8-85. When was the silencer sent to the lab?

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #294 on: January 31, 2012, 10:42:AM »
Thanks Janet. The fate on that photo is 29-8-85. When was the silencer sent to the lab?

You're welcome Grahame. Again according to Mikes information, the silencer was sent to the lab for the first time on 30th August 1985.

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #295 on: January 31, 2012, 11:03:AM »
You're welcome Grahame. Again according to Mikes information, the silencer was sent to the lab for the first time on 30th August 1985.
Of course I meant date and not fate. ;D So this copper took it to bits before it was sent to the lab? Well this is just one more reason why the silencer should never have been accepted as evidence. One more thing that was hidden from the defence and of course the court? Must we now assume that the legal bods in charge of these things have a policy that it only employs registered blind people to look at these case?

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Re: Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?
« Reply #296 on: February 10, 2012, 02:54:PM »
So, we have more chance of dying from falling out of bed than by falling from a ladder.
Why did you not also include my response in that thread in which I pointed out the statistical flaw in your thinking?