Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[mike tesko]

Here is a report about death of DCI 'Taff' Jones, in 'THE LAW', Newspaper of Essex police, Dated, May 1986, issue 181:-

[Roch]

A 10 times commended CID officer with 22 years CID experience, stubbornly refuses to accept Jeremy Bamber had any involvement with the killings.

[mike tesko]

A 10 times commended CID officer with 22 years CID experience, stubbornly refuses to accept Jeremy Bamber had any involvement with the killings.

He also commissioned a report about the silencer and scenes of crime which has been suppressed and withheld from Jeremy's legal team, and the court which tried him, and subsequent appeals, and the CCRC...

[Gillian]

I have just read an article on the net from David James Smith who interviewed Jeremy in prison.  He refers to the death of Taff Jones and says he investigated the death thoroughly and that his death was a genuine accident and that this was confirmed at the inquest.  How would he have been able to do this if the information regarding his death is held under PII?  Would he have information which could be relevant to this discussion?

[Chochokeira]

There was an inquest but all the papers relating to it have been withheld under PII.

Tonyb, why do you think the papers from Taff Jones' inquest were/ are withheld under a PII secrecy order?

[tonyb]

Tonyb, why do you think the papers from Taff Jones' inquest were/ are withheld under a PII secrecy order?

I don't know they are,or are not. I don't know why they would or would not be. I have had no issue with 95% of this thread.only the 5% that relates to the 2 Widdem Pictures with the rifle and silencer.
So I ask in reply, Why do you think Mike persisted in stating the photos were taken in the armoury Pre Lab examination,changed it to a restaging the photos to the conclusion it's a press photo(what I'd been saying but MT had been taking umbridge with) and saying it was acceptable to use photos that have been re enacted. When I pointed the error of his ways with that statement he certainly lost his cool.thats MTs biggest failing. He can't admit when he's wrong and he tries to bullshit his way out of it. Therefore until MT can PROVE that Taff was murdered I think I'll go with the Official Explaination

[Chochokeira]

I don't know they are,or are not. I don't know why they would or would not be. I have had no issue with 95% of this thread.only the 5% that relates to the 2 Widdem Pictures with the rifle and silencer.

So I ask in reply, Why do you think Mike persisted in stating the photos were taken in the armoury Pre Lab examination,changed it to a restaging the photos to the conclusion it's a press photo(what I'd been saying but MT had been taking umbridge with) and saying it was acceptable to use photos that have been re enacted. When I pointed the error of his ways with that statement he certainly lost his cool.thats MTs biggest failing. He can't admit when he's wrong and he tries to bullshit his way out of it.

Therefore until MT can PROVE that Taff was murdered I think I'll go with the Official Explaination

That's a complicated question, Tonyb, which I can't possibly answer because I'm not Mike. You'll have to ask Mike that one 

[Chochokeira]

986 male 15 - 64 year olds year 2000. Doesn't differentiate cause (rospa)

Sorry, Tonyb, but that can't possibly be correct, the figures for deaths from ladders are substantially lower than this.

[Chochokeira]

986 male 15 - 64 year olds year 2000. Doesn't differentiate cause (rospa)

I've just realised, this is the ROSPA - Royal Society for Prevention of Accidents - figure, isn't it? This is the number of falls from ladders, not the number of deaths.

I posted the following on a thread on this topic some months ago:

The chances of Taff Jones meeting his Maker by falling off a ladder were so tiny because so few deaths happen that way. See the following statistics from a Daily Mirror article:

Chance of dying

300,000,000/1       SHARK ATTACK                  (c 40 deaths per year)

300,000,000/1       FAIRGROUND ACCIDENT

250,000,000/1       FALLING COCONUT           (c 150 deaths per year)

11,000,000/1          PLANE CRASH                   (c 1,300 deaths per year)

10,000,000/1          LIGHTNING                        (c 5 deaths per year)

10,000,000/1          BY THE ESCAPE OF RADIATION

9,300,000/1            DYING IN TERRORIST ATTACK

5,000,000/1            SCALDED BY HOT TAP WATER. (c 126 deaths per year)

4,400,000/1            LEFT-HANDED PEOPLE USING A RIGHT-HANDED PRODUCT

3,500,000/1            SNAKE BITES                    (c 25,000 deaths per year)

3,000,000/1           FOOD POISONING              (c 200 deaths per year)

2,300,000/1           FALLING OFF A LADDER      (c 15 deaths per year)

2,000,000/1            FALLING OUT OF BED         (c 20 deaths)

685,000/1               DROWNING IN THE BATH    (25 deaths per year)

500,000/1               TRAIN CRASH                     (c 13 deaths per year)

43,500/1                 ACCIDENT AT WORK           (c 300 deaths)

8,000/1                   A ROAD ACCIDENT (c 1,500 per year)

5/1                          CANCER ( c 130,000 deaths per year)

2.5/1                       HEART ATTACK OR STROKE  (c200,000 deaths per year)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-world/2008/05/30/scientists-calculate-odd-ways-to-die-115875-17495916/

[Chochokeira]

Before someone objects that these are the Daily Mirror's figures, the figure for ladders agrees with that of the Health & Safety Executive.

[Chochokeira]

So, we have more chance of dying from falling out of bed than by falling from a ladder.

[Chochokeira]

Quote from: tonyb on Yesterday at 03:58 PM

986 male 15 - 64 year olds year 2000. Doesn't differentiate cause (rospa)

Sorry, Tonyb, but that can't possibly be correct, the figures for deaths from ladders are substantially lower than this.

Tonyb, please remind me, what were you were saying about Mike making errors and failing to post the data from his sources...?

[mike tesko]

Here is PC Whiddon in possession of the silencer found by the relatives which did not get sent to the lab' until 20th September 1985. As can be seen, this silencer does not have any signed exhibit label attached to it bearing the signatures of the experts at the lab' who handled and dealt with a silencer on 13th and 30th August 1985, onwards...

The silencer in this photograph was the one PC Whiddon took from 'Taff' Jones desk at Witham police station, as described earlier...

[Roch]

This thing about Taff Jones and the ladder accident.  If it had have been Ainsley who had died in a mirror image of Taff's accident, there wouldn't be any suspicions at all.  Ainsley was of course, pulling in the same direction as the team in general, by that stage.  I could have picked any 'on message' member of the team but picked Ainsley because he also became head of the investigation.

But because Taff Jones was the original HEAD if the investigation, had been at SOC on the morning of the killings, had refused to have any truck with the relatives who pushed so hard for JB to be investigated, refused to back down to junior officers, was removed from the case with first hand knowledge of what had actually taken place at SOC...

I'm afraid it does become suspicious, albeit subjectively and regardless of statistics re ladder accidents.  His connection to the case places his death slightly adrift from that of a careless window cleaner, imo.

[mike tesko]

Once silencer (1) was sent to lab' on 13th and 30th August 1985, it would at all times have had a signed exhibit label attached to it, but in the case of the other silencer (2) which 'Taff' Jones kept on his desk at Witham police station, no such label was attached, because 'Taff' Jones did not treat the silencer found by the relatives seriously. This silencer (2) was taken by PC Whiddon along to the force armoury and screwed onto the barrel of the rifle. His actions and those of DCI Jones have not officially been reported on or properly disclosed. One thing is certain, and that is that Sheila's blood could not have been found inside the silencer found by the relatives, because the blood has been attributed to the the silencer (1) which was at the lab' from 30th August 1985...