Suspicious death of DCI Jones - motives for murder?

[mike tesko]

Since it has now come to light that a second silencer did exist, which was sent to the lab' on 20th September 1985, even though another silencer had been at the lab' sine 30th August 1985, information which was provided to Ewen Smith in 2003 by a police officer by the Christian name of Dave, or David, everyone will be trying to fathom out who that officer (Dave/David) could be/was?

Let me start the ball rolling, with a suggestion...

DC David Robert Hammersley (SOC)?

PC David Bird (SOC)...

[mike tesko]

Deny the existence of two silencers, and do not disclose any information about who took silencer (2) to lab` on 20th September 1985?

Deny that anyone other than David Boutflour found a silencer at the scene...

[mike tesko]

It was also necessary to deny that DS 'Stan' Jones had seized any exhibits from the scene from an early stage, so that although he took possession of items, SBJ/4, SBJ/3, SBJ/2 and by implication item SBJ/1, when the case (SC/688/85) was one of four murders and a suicide, these had to be discarded altogether once the nature of the investigation changed (SC/786/85) five murders - because to leave them (SBJ exhibits) un hidden, would expose how many silencers really existed...

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

I am sorry if I am repeating ground which has already been covered on this thread. I haven't had time to read in detail, just to skim over it. But what immediately came to mind was this clip that I saw on the ITV website.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/28/AS281086002/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

Have a look at about 27 seconds. Is this the PC Whiddon that you are talking about? Is this the same occasion that you are referring to when he screws the silencer onto the rifle? If so this looks like an official press conference. ITV have original footage of this. They must be able to tell us the date it took place. Just an idea.

[mike tesko]

I am sorry if I am repeating ground which has already been covered on this thread. I haven't had time to read in detail, just to skim over it. But what immediately came to mind was this clip that I saw on the ITV website.

http://www.itnsource.com/shotlist//ITN/1986/10/28/AS281086002/?s=jeremy+bamber&st=0&pn=1

Have a look at about 27 seconds. Is this the PC Whiddon that you are talking about? Is this the same occasion that you are referring to when he screws the silencer onto the rifle? If so this looks like an official press conference. ITV have original footage of this. They must be able to tell us the date it took place. Just an idea.

PC 'Christopher' Whiddon, was photographed and videoed on different occasions with the rifle and silencer - see these two examples:-

[mike tesko]

On each of these occasions the silencer did not have any exhibit label attached to it, nor was its integrity being safeguarded...

[mike tesko]

Although the silencer has had three different exhibit references at different stages of the investigations, (1) SBJ/1, (2) DB/1 and (3) DRB/1, only two exhibit labels bearing signatures have been disclosed:-

The signature of (a) DCI 'Taff' Jones, (b) PI 'Bob' Miller, or (c) PC Whiddon, do not appear on either for some reason...

[mike tesko]

Where is the missing exhibit label bearing the identifying mark of (SC/688/85) SBJ/1?

[mike tesko]

If DCI 'Taff' Jones had possession of a silencer for a considerable length of time until PC Whiddon came along to take control of it, why is DCI Jones signature missing from either of these exhibit labels?

[mike tesko]

If DCI 'Taff' Jones had possession of a silencer for a considerable length of time until PC Whiddon came along to take control of it, why is DCI Jones signature missing from either of these exhibit labels?

Who gave the silencer to DCI 'Taff' Jones, to allow him to keep it on his desk in his office at Witham police station?

[mike tesko]

How could DCI 'Taff' Jones, and DI Cook both have control and possession of the same silencer, at the same time?

[mike tesko]

Now it is a well known secret that DCI 'Taff' Jones did not take too kindly to the relatives trying to interfere with the investigation, especially during the early stages when he was head of the investigation (SC/688/85) and that he in fact threw the relatives out of the police station on one occasion, and so bearing in mind the timing of the alleged find of the silencer by the relatives in the gun cupboard at whf on 10th August 1985, this silencer which was handed to DS 'Stan' Jones by Peter Eaton on evening of 12th August 1985, must have been brought to the attention of DCI Jones, by DS 'Stan' Jones. It is unthinkable that DS Jones would not inform DCI Jones that the relatives had found such a silencer? It is even more unthinkable that because of the attitude that DCI Jones had regarding the interfering nature of the relatives who were hell bent on trying to put Jeremy in the frame, that DCI Jones would allow DI Cook to take that silencer to the lab' without he (DI Cook) bringing this to his attention?

DCI Jones, thought the relatives were trying to frame Jeremy for these murders, and he would have suspected that any find of a silencer or attempt to introduce such a silencer into the investigation by the relatives was nothing but a ruse to pin the blame on Jeremy. In my view, he would have proceeded with extreme caution once the relatives sought to introduce the silencer evidence into the investigation. This is why I think the silencer kept on DCI 'Taff' Jones desk was the one introduced by the relatives with the help of DS 'Stan' Jones...

Why would DCI Jones allow a silencer that was introduced by the relatives, to be sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, and keep the other silencer found by DS Jones on his desk in his office at Witham police station?


He wouldn't, and he didn't...

The silencer kept on 'Taff' Jones office desk was the one introduced by the relatives, and the one sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, was the one found at the scene (SBJ/1) by DS 'Stan' Jones...

[mike tesko]

If I am wrong...

Then a number of police officers were conspiring behind the back of DCI 'Taff' Jones, from a very early stage, at a time when the relatives were not flavour of the month in the mind of DCI 'Taff' Jones (head of the investigation at that time) which included (1) DS 'Stan' Jones, (2) PI 'Bob' Miller, and (3) DI 'Ron' Cook...

[mike tesko]

If I am wrong...

Then a number of police officers were conspiring behind the back of DCI 'Taff' Jones, from a very early stage, at a time when the relatives were not flavour of the month in the mind of DCI 'Taff' Jones (head of the investigation at that time) which included (1) DS 'Stan' Jones, (2) PI 'Bob' Miller, and (3) DI 'Ron' Cook...

Why from such an early stage would DS 'Stan' Jones, PI 'Bob' Miller, and DI 'Ron' Cook, be conspiring behind the back of DCI 'Taff' jones relating to a silencer that was being introduced by the relatives who were considered to be interfering with the original investigation?

They wouldn't, and they didn't...

[mike tesko]

The silencer (1) took to the lab' by DI 'Ron' Cook was the one (SBJ/1), which DS 'Stan' Jones took from the scene along with three other exhibits (SBJ/4, SBJ/3, and SBJ/2) from an early stage...