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Offline grahameb

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2012, 12:43:AM »
How does this belief in Hinduism sit with your Calvinist beliefs Grahame? Seems an odd match, but I'm no expert on religion, so am happy to be enlightened.
I'm not a believer in Hinduism Bob. I just thought it was interesting, that modern man thinks he's so genned up in this science stuff he trusts in so much and when it comes to it he is just reiterating old beliefs thought up 1000's of years ago. Well it seems the wise man was right who wrote the proverb "there is nothing new under the sun. What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again"
   

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« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2012, 12:45:AM »
Ah, you mean Ray Harryhausen the geobiologist  ;)
Nah the geobologists. You know those fellers who invented rocks an' stuff.

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« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2012, 12:46:AM »
It was a joke Grahame, harryhausen was a special effects bloke from years back.

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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2012, 12:59:AM »
It was a joke Grahame, harryhausen was a special effects bloke from years back.
Yes I know. ;D Let's face it. Its all beyond any of us for any of us to know definitely about these things. Most of us are pretty much agnostic about a lot of things we profess to know. Whatever we may think about whether God exists or not our common intellect will always be pathetically deficient in the light of the unimaginable vastness of space. What are we? We are to the universe as the atom is to us. We may or may not speculate on the being of God whilst quite possible there are creatures infinitely smaller than us, who may or may not speculate about us. ::) We live in a time when anything seems possible that is far beyond our comprehension.
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« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2012, 01:00:AM »
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/14/einstein-letter-belief-in_n_101626.html


not according to this.


This is a rather poor article, Andrea, the author/blogger gives a totally one sided view of Einstein. Einstein wrote:

"I believe in Spinoza's God, Who reveals Himself in the lawful harmony of the world, not in a God Who concerns Himself with the fate and the doings of mankind."

"I can understand your aversion to the use of the term 'religion' to describe an emotional and psychological attitude which shows itself most clearly in Spinoza... I have not found a better expression than 'religious' for the trust in the rational nature of reality that is, at least to a certain extent, accessible to human reason."

(Einstein 24 April 1929 responses to Rabbi Herbert S. Goldstein: "Do you believe in God?)

He also wrote:

"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it." (Albert Einstein, 1954, The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press)

and,

"What separates me from most so-called atheists is a feeling of utter humility toward the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos." (Albert Einstein to Joseph Lewis, Apr. 18, 1953)

and,

"The religion of the future will be a cosmic religion. It should transcend personal God and avoid dogma and theology. Covering both the natural and the spiritual, it should be based on a religious sense arising from the experience of all things natural and spiritual as a meaningful unity. Buddhism answers this description. If there is any religion that could cope with modern scientific needs it would be Buddhism." (Albert Einstein)

and,

"I'm not an atheist. I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. The problem involved is too vast for our limited minds. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. It does not understand the languages in which they are written. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see the universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations. I am fascinated by Spinoza's pantheism, but admire even more his contribution to modern thought because he is the first philosopher to deal with the soul and body as one, and not two separate things."

(Interview 1930 in G. S. Viereck's book Glimpses of the Great)

and,

"But science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith. The situation may be expressed by an image: science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." (Albert Einstein, 1941)








 
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Chochokeira

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #110 on: January 21, 2012, 01:06:AM »
Where did you make that up from?
If you didn't make it up, can you post us a reputable source, as it would be fascinating if it were true.



Buddist monks invented steam power, Bob, a few thousand years before it was used to drive the machines and transport of the industrial revolution. They merely used it to drive their prayer wheels.

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #111 on: January 21, 2012, 01:10:AM »
Can you point me to a reference where he made that statement, Keira?

I know he said this: "I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. "


Yes. See my reply to Andrea, Bob.

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #112 on: January 21, 2012, 01:15:AM »


Buddist monks invented steam power, Bob, a few thousand years before it was used to drive the machines and transport of the industrial revolution. They merely used it to drive their prayer wheels.
What's that got to do with the assertion that they discovered evolution thousands of years before Darwin & co.?

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #113 on: January 21, 2012, 01:18:AM »

Yes. See my reply to Andrea, Bob.
Why did you choose to put the 1941 quote at the end, whilst burying the 1954 quote in the middle?
Not a tad disingenuous, perchance?

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #114 on: January 21, 2012, 01:22:AM »
There we go then Andrea. 'Albert Einstein described belief in God as "childish superstition" '

I wonder how many of chochokeira's other "facts" are also biased figments of her imagination - most worryingly, those related to this case?



You're the one posting biased figments of the imagination, Bob.

You have selectively cherry picked part of a quotation in order to use this to make a personal attack on me. You have done so without bothering to research your subject. As a result, you misunderstand and have misrepresented Einstein's views.

All you've succeeded in doing is in twitting yourself.

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #115 on: January 21, 2012, 01:23:AM »
Why did you choose to put the 1941 quote at the end, whilst burying the 1954 quote in the middle?
Not a tad disingenuous, perchance?


What a pompous twit you are.

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #116 on: January 21, 2012, 01:26:AM »

What a pompous twit you are.
If you can't hold your own in a reasoned debate, then I guess personal abuse is the next best thing  ::)

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« Reply #117 on: January 21, 2012, 01:30:AM »
What's that got to do with the assertion that they discovered evolution thousands of years before Darwin & co.?


If you're unable grasp that I'm not going to waste my time explaining it to you.

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #118 on: January 21, 2012, 01:30:AM »


You're the one posting biased figments of the imagination, Bob.

You have selectively cherry picked part of a quotation in order to use this to make a personal attack on me. You have done so without bothering to research your subject. As a result, you misunderstand and have misrepresented Einstein's views.

All you've succeeded in doing is in twitting yourself.
Trust me chochokeira - when it comes to understanding Einstein, you lose.

Chochokeira

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Re: Keep Life in perspective...
« Reply #119 on: January 21, 2012, 01:36:AM »
Why did you choose to put the 1941 quote at the end, whilst burying the 1954 quote in the middle?
Not a tad disingenuous, perchance?


All of the quotes are in agreement with each other, Bob.