Keep Life in perspective...

[andrea]

Those good changes came about because people believed in god, it still doesnt mean he exists

I understand what youre saying Grahame and where youre coming from.

But on the flip side, terrible things are done in the name of religion.


Child exorcism
female genital mutilation
stoning
mass suicides as in the case of rev Jim Jones
women kept as second class citizens or worse
Genocide
homophobia
9/11
7/7

i realise that that 9/11 also occured due to american foreign policy, and religion wasnt the sole factor, though they did think that would end up in paradise with so many virgins.

I could go on, but i would be here all day Grahame, anyway thats just a few examples.

[boheme]

72 virgins for every martyr !! - wonder what the women get ? !

[grahameb]

Its interesting to note that a lot of scientists are religious (which is a surprise to many people), if you go back to the so called big bang most people agree that this event happened, astronomers have radio telescopes which show this vividly, the Astronomer Royal often does lectrues on this with great photos..... However what caused it - this is where science and religion converge and neither can prove it one way or another - if God caused the big bang or it was a purely scientific event horizon - If you call this God, then he exists !! As for him controlling human behaviour, sadly the species acts for the most part like all other species who exist to re-produce and become the dominant species by natural selection, which in a lot of cases results in mass killings in the name of religion. By far the most successful species are the insects...... maybe God planned it that way !

It is all a mystery to me. Nothing is cut and dried, or put into pat theories. I can only refer to thing I know to have happened or do happen in the realm of human nature. But man seems to evolve in everything except his wicked nature it seems. In that realm he cannot seem to make headway it seems. There seems to be a force within man which is intent on killing his neighbours?

[andrea]

Women wouldnt have got anything  just dead!

[grahameb]

72 virgins for every martyr !! - wonder what the women get ? !

Billy Connelly said, "75 virgins? What a nightmare!. Give me 2 fire breathing whores any day".

[boheme]

Very sad, but true...

[grahameb]

Those good changes came about because people believed in god, it still doesnt mean he exists

I understand what youre saying Grahame and where youre coming from.

But on the flip side, terrible things are done in the name of religion.


Child exorcism
female genital mutilation
stoning
mass suicides as in the case of rev Jim Jones
women kept as second class citizens or worse
Genocide
homophobia
9/11
7/7

i realise that that 9/11 also occured due to american foreign policy, and religion wasnt the sole factor, though they did think that would end up in paradise with so many virgins.

I could go on, but i would be here all day Grahame, anyway thats just a few examples.

Andrea. I can't speak for those of other religions. Neither can I speak for those who would be false prophets like Jim Jones and many others. But to see the truth do as I used to tell others to do. Go back to the New Testament and show me where Christ advocated any of those things.

[boheme]

Sorry, that was meant to be a reply to man killing his neighbours, not to Billy C !

[grahameb]

Andrea. I can't speak for those of other religions. Neither can I speak for those who would be false prophets like Jim Jones and many others. But to see the truth do as I used to tell others to do. Go back to the New Testament and show me where Christ advocated any of those things.

This is the spirit of the New Testament. "God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."

[andrea]

Andrea. I can't speak for those of other religions. Neither can I speak for those who would be false prophets like Jim Jones and many others. But to see the truth do as I used to tell others to do. Go back to the New Testament and show me where Christ advocated any of those things.

What im saying is grahame, christ or god didnt advocate any of those things, its peoples belief in god and religion that makes them do these things, they will committ atrocities in the name of a religion or god, when there is no proof he exists.

Look at America, where surgeons are murdered for performing abortions, northern ireland where people were killed for being the wrong type of christian.

All these things took place because of peoples religious beliefs, its sad because there is no proof god exists.

im going round in circles here

[boheme]

Hi Andrea, not just religion, look at football hooligans for example, prepared to fight or stab another human being simply because he has a different colour scarf and does not support the same team ....

[andrea]

yes thats true, there was plenty of trouble at Elland Rd in the 80's.

Alot of the hooliganism was pre arranged, thats the worse thing!

[boheme]

Its a crazy world...

[Newbury1]

What I'm saying Andrea in all this great universe that we find so amazing and vast how can we we so definite about there not being anything greater than ourselves. In other words how can non intelligence create intelligence? If you are discussing the possibility of aliens for which there is far less proof. Why not accept that there may be an entity far more intelligent than ourselves who may indeed have created us? It's just an obvious question that's all.

When I was small my mum and dad said they created me, and I don' think their gods - in fact I know they aren't!!

God was created by man 

[Newbury1]

I find it more likely Grahame , that there is intelligent life in the universe rather than some super higher being that created it all.

I cant accept that there is a god because there is no proof, according to the bible the earth is only thousands of years old, we know that's not true.

I put my faith in science and good people.

I met Z in Prestatyn and he told me he's got a picture of god as well