And so to the truth of the matter (how Sheila communicated with police)?

[mike tesko]

Up until that point (6:30am)...

police did not think that Sheila had shot or killed anyone...

at around 6:30am, police knew that Sheila had fired shots, and that was why they called for an ambulance to attend the scene. Because the shot, or the shots they heard through the telephone intercept occurred in a relatively short time of each other, police thought that the shootings could be linked to one victim rather than to several?

This could be related to the officers report relating to the shooting incident in the kitchen (at 6:30am)...

Why don't Essex police simply disclose the contents of this officers report?

What shooting incident in the kitchen?

[mike tesko]

And Jeremy, what, 50m away?, knew nothing about any of this??

None of the police outside heard any of this?

The only way of knowing was through the phone link?

So we are not at cross purposes, and to prevent any misunderstanding, what precisely are you making reference to?

[mike tesko]

Jeremy was not present at the scene, for a considerable amount of time, since he was escorted away to a local village to make the necessary call that he did make to Julie Mugford, that morning...

Now, all of this took time up, time which Jeremy could not have been present at the scene, and I would suggest was the opportunity which the firearms team at the scene took to try and establish contact with the occupants of whf?

[mike tesko]

OK...

I ask anyone to pinpoint the closest telephone box situated to whf, so that we can gauge how long it took for Jeremy to be escorted away from the scene, to make the call to Julie Mugford, and then get back to the farmhouse?

If no-one else can provide this information, then the next time I am down in that neck of the woods, I will endeavour to check this issue out, myself?

[mike tesko]

How much of a coincidence is it, that firearms officers at the scene, are in a conversation with a person from inside the farm, at a time when Jeremy was away from the scene, making the telephone call to Julie Mugford?

[mike tesko]

How much of a coincidence is it, that firearms officers at the scene, are in a conversation with a person from inside the farm, at a time when Jeremy was away from the scene making the telephone call to Julie Mugford?

Furthermore...

that any references to a "dog barking" during this period, when Jeremy was not present at the scene, could in fact be a reference to communication's or exchanges made by Sheila to challenges made to the occupants of the farmhouse?

[mike tesko]

Now...

I would like someone to explain to me in plain English, who "the person" or the "someone", that was engaged in conversation at the scene, from inside the farm at 5:25am, could be?


Since...

It could not have been Jeremy, because to all intents and puroposes, he was not there at that time?

[mike tesko]

Did Sheila make noises similar to a dog barking, or whining?

I think so, I think she did, or that she could have done, yes..

[tyler]

Experts doing live-firing tests in Arizona today for @Bambertweets. Report due in time for CCRC submission deadline of 31 January 2012.



Very interesting

If you find out any more information on this,could you please let us know?
It does sound interesting!

[tonyb]

You don't know what I have been shown, given or been told, which places you at a considerable disadvantage, unfortunately for you...

shown,given or told. thought so thanks for clarifing that Mike

[tonyb]

I would strongly advise everybody to think twice about the fact that police have disclosed a record suggesting that the "dog inside the house was barking", until the police produce the audio recordings from the telephone eavesdrop during that crucial one hour period between 5:25am and 6:30am, since during that period firearms officers at the scene were in conversation of sorts with a person (not a dog) from inside the farm...

People who make posts about matters and issues like this, should get their facts right, before making such comments...

and+1

[tonyb]

Information has been received to suggest how during a one hour period, Sheila communicated with police at the scene by her mimicking A barking, whining dog, which served to confuse the firearms officers into not being able to pinpoint her position inside the farmhouse, due to the family pet dog also barking and reacting to Sheila`s antics? These diversionary tactics served to keep police at bay, until WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle which Sheila lolled against the bedroom window...

I thought I'd repost the first quote Mike. Re read it and you'll see that whatever you subsequently post can not be taken seriously. If everything you say is true, the credibility of the post is blown out the water by the ridiculous "her mimicking A barking,whining dog"  unreal...

[mike tesko]

Sheila mimicked the sound of a dog barking at times which confused the firearms team because they could not pinpoint her location inside the farmhouse at specific times, and it was not until WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window that police knew which part of the house she was at or in at that precise moment in time. There were other times, when it was obvious to the firearms team that it was Sheila, for example, when she was screaming and shouting obscenities, ranting and raving...

These activities kept the firearms at bay and prevented them from raiding the farmhouse for two and a half hours...

People can believe what they want to, but the truth is that something prevented the firearms team from going into the farmhouse to try and save the lives of five individuals (two of them little children) and  that reason was Sheila who put the fear of god into them...

[tonyb]

Sheila mimicked the sound of a dog barking at times which confused the firearms team because they could not pinpoint her location inside the farmhouse at specific times, and it was not until WPC Jeapes spotted the rifle at the bedroom window that police knew which part of the house she was at or in at that precise moment in time. There were other times, when it was obvious to the firearms team that it was Sheila, for example, when she was screaming and shouting obscenities, ranting and raving...

These activities kept the firearms at bay and prevented them from raiding the farmhouse for two and a half hours...

People can believe what they want to, but the truth is that something prevented the firearms team from going into the farmhouse to try and save the lives of five individuals (two of them little children) and  that reason was Sheila who put the far of god into them...

Exactly. "the truth is something prevented the firearms team"
I don't know what prevented them,I truly don't,I could make guesses but that's all they would be.But Being afraid of a woman barking like a dog ain't one (IMO).
A firearms team I would imagine will adhere to a Standard Operating Procedure.that way every one knows what there doing.Find out what the SOP would of been at the time of the murders and check if there are any anomalies in procedure. that's a better avenue to examine than SC doing dog impressions

[mike tesko]

Exactly. "the truth is something prevented the firearms team"
I don't know what prevented them,I truly don't,I could make guesses but that's all they would be.But Being afraid of a woman barking like a dog ain't one (IMO).
A firearms team I would imagine will adhere to a Standard Operating Procedure.that way every one knows what there doing.Find out what the SOP would of been at the time of the murders and check if there are any anomalies in procedure. that's a better avenue to examine than SC doing dog impressions

Mimicking of the dog did not help matters, there were periods during that one hour of activity (between about 5:25am to 6:30am) that the firearms team did not know of the whereabouts of Sheila inside the farmhouse, due to the noises she was making (which got relayed through the 999 system in the control room to the firearms team at the scene). They didn't know if she was upstairs, or downstairs, simply because they did not know at that stage which telephone handset was off its cradle?

Police didn't know it was the telephone in the kitchen which had its handset off its cradle, until they got into the kitchen at about 7:30am...

But as soon as WPC Julia Jeapes took up her position in the role of containment and observation, and she spotted the rifle leaning up against the bedroom window at about 7:15am, police gambled on Sheila being upstairs in the bedroom, where they knew there should have been a telephone - which was why the raid team went in very quickly after the sighting made by Jeapes. Police thought Sheila was upstairs ion the bedroom, and as long as somebody kept sight of the gun at the window, and that is precisely what WPC Jeapes did, or as the case may be, what some other police officers did, using the scopes on their rifles...