And so to the truth of the matter (how Sheila communicated with police)?

[mike tesko]

How did the occupants of CA07 receive the information which they passed to the control room at 7:37am - the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female found upon entry into the kitchen?

The patrol car was parked a long way from the farmhouse, it was parked up alongside the farm cottages in pages lane, so how did that information get passed or was received by the occupnats of CA07 from officers  inside the farmhouse?

There had to be a means of communication, between the officers inside the farmhouse at that time, and the occupants of CA07 which was parked up in pages lane, to enable CA07 to pass messages to the control room?

The control room, on the other hand would be monitoring what was taking place inside the farmhouse via the telephone eavesdrop, an arrangement which had been set up some time beforehand which enabled them to hear the screamings, and rantings, howling, and murmurings made by Sheila in response to challenges made to the occupants of the farmhouse. This line of communication via the telephone intercept was patched through to the firearms team at the scene, and this was why CA07 played the role of being the primary radio link from the scene to the control room, subject of disclosures...

[mike tesko]

Police also obtained information about how many telephones were fitted and known to be in use, which did not help matters either, because although it had been established by the operator that the telephone handset was off its cradle, what was not known until police got into the farmhouse, was which telephone handset was actually off its cradle?

This created a logistical problem for the firearms officers and other police at the scene and elsewhere, since although they could hear the communications made by Sheila from inside the farmhouse, they could not pinpoint whereabouts inside the large farmhouse she was at the time such exchanges were made during that one hour period between about 5:25am and 6:30am...

[mike tesko]

The contents of the disclosed log from the scene, the source of which is/was CA07 to the control room does not match the true circumstances of what police found and came up against before the firearms team entered the farmhouse, or afterwards...

Large important and as yet undisclosed transcripts and recordings have thus far not yet been disclosed, but continue to be withheld, under pii...

These other records contain the evidence that Sheila made many communications in the form of screamings, rantings, howlings, whinings, and all sorts of unimaginable noises made during that one hour period, and that some of these exchanges have been put down as a dog barking, but clearly most of the other exchanges, could not have been made by any dog...

[mike tesko]

It was these communications or exchanges between the firearms team at the scene and Sheila inside the farmhouse, which served to prevent the firearms team from trying to get inside the farmhouse until much later, after WPC Julia Jeapes spotted the rifle which Sheila had been using or in possession of, having been leant against the bedroom window - a rifle which had up until that time not previously been resting there...

[mike tesko]

I can see that everyone is not taking this matter seriously enough, but that is fine by me, but it is/was no laughing matter and the consequences were serious for Sheila, her family and the police, both at the scene and elsewhere...

Before anyone dismisses the noises which Sheila was making during these exchanges with the firearms team (which have in some instances during the incident been described as a dog barking) people need to look into the illness that Sheila was suffering with, and from...

A good place to start would be at the following link:-

(1) - http://www.namigc.org/content/fact_sheets/mentalillnesses/Schizophrenia/web-%20understanding%20schizophrenia1204.htm

"The person may talk nonsense, make up words, or replace words with sounds and rhymes."

Look here, also:-

(2) -  http://www.wisegeek.com/what-are-some-examples-of-nervous-tics.htm
(3)  - http://www.wisegeek.com/how-does-the-brain-work.htm
(4) - http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-tourettes.htm
(5) - http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-coprolalia.htm
(6) - http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-trauma.htm
(7) - http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071002142942AAde4Tb
(8) - http://ppdsupport.com/article/2010/09/28/dealing-psychosis-attack

[mike tesko]

The audio recordings of the telephone eavesdrop contain the actual evidence that Sheila was still alive, and making all manner of sounds and noises, and in some instances she mimicked the dog barking, whining and howling, amongst screamings, and ranting of obscenities...

Evidence of this is also contained in other logs kept at the scene, and elsewhere, which documents the challenges made to the occupants of the farmhouse and the firearms team between around 5:25am and 6:30am...

[mike tesko]

Otty Sanchez:-

(1) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/26/otty-sanchez-mother-says-_n_245124.html

[mike tesko]

Andrea Yates:-

(1) - http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/andrea_yates/index.html

[grahameb]

You all really need to pay attention...

I am not saying Sheila was literally barking like a dog, what I am saying is that this is how police later described such communications. Fact is, Sheila screamed obscenities, she ranted and raved, she howled like a wolf, she roared like a lion, she bellowed like a grizzly bear, she whined like a dog, cried like a baby, laughed like an hysterical clown, murmured, shouted, sang like an angel, cursed the police like a devil - and the police recorded all of these exchanges, as a dog barking...

I've heard of such things.

[tonyb]

The audio recordings of the telephone eavesdrop contain the actual evidence that Sheila was still alive, and making all manner of sounds and noises, and in some instances she mimicked the dog barking, whining and howling, amongst screamings, and ranting of obscenities...

Evidence of this is also contained in other logs kept at the scene, and elsewhere, which documents the challenges made to the occupants of the farmhouse and the firearms team between around 5:25am and 6:30am...

and you've heard these Mike?
If you yourself haven't heard them I reckon someones else is barking up the wrong tree, so to speak...

[mike tesko]

There will be the "devil to pay" when the truth comes out...

[mike tesko]

and you've heard these Mike?
If you yourself haven't heard them I reckon someones else is barking up the wrong tree, so to speak...

You don't know what I have been shown, given or been told, which places you at a considerable disadvantage, unfortunately for you...

[mike tesko]

I would strongly advise everybody to think twice about the fact that police have disclosed a record suggesting that the "dog inside the house was barking", until the police produce the audio recordings from the telephone eavesdrop during that crucial one hour period between 5:25am and 6:30am, since during that period firearms officers at the scene were in conversation of sorts with a person (not a dog) from inside the farm...

People who make posts about matters and issues like this, should get their facts right, before making such comments...

[Jackiepreece]

Experts doing live-firing tests in Arizona today for @Bambertweets. Report due in time for CCRC submission deadline of 31 January 2012.



Very interesting

[mike tesko]

Lets get the facts right...

Jeremy was not even present at the scene at 5:25am, when firearms officers were engaged in conversation with a person from inside the farm, since he was being escorted to a nearby village to make the call to Julie Mugford - so "who exactly", were police at the scene at 5:25am, in a conversation with, from inside the farm, at that precise time?

A relative perhaps?

A hitman?

Ralph Bamber?

June Bamber?

Sheila Caffell?