Police received screaming and ranting responses from inside farmhouse

[Hartley]

Wasnt it the raid teams job just to go in and make the scene safe, not to actually investigate what went on.

Yes SOCO do that bit don't they?

[mike tesko]

Wasnt it the raid teams job just to go in and make the scene safe, not to actually investigate what went on.

Yes, but what they saw and observed was and is important...

[andrea]

Yes SOCO do that bit don't they?

Yes along with CID ?

[mike tesko]

SOCO have to complete a handwritten report about the investigations and evidence which was obtained during their investigation of the crime scene - for some reason the original handwritten notes have been/are being withheld under pii, now I wonder why that is?

Jeremy and his legal team have asked for a copy of this, but none has been forthcoming?

why?

[Hartley]

Yes, but what they saw and observed was and is important...

Yes very, particularly with regards to PC Collins.

Just out of interest why is PC Collins the only raid team member whose statement is not posted on the forum, yet his observations are amongst the most important in relation to one of the theories put forward?

[vidvic]

So they didn't shoot Sheila then? Because what they say is important and you obviously choose at this moment to trust their statements, and as they don't say that they shot her, or anything else went wrong, we can put all those theories to bed then too.

[Chochokeira]

Well unfortunately most people on here, regardless of their view on the case, do have a certain amount of intelligence and decency about themselves.

I don't think anybody on here would honestly agree that I keep making unsubstantiated allegations (well with the exception of one, and we know who they are  ).

Untrue. You have made more unsubstantiated and untrue allegations than I have the time or inclination to count, Hartley. Almost every one of the numerous personal attacks you post here is an unsubstantiated lie.

[mike tesko]

It is very odd, that although police received a screaming ranting response from Sheila, that none of the officers make mention of it, in the composite witness statements that were re-written for them by the DPP (Mr Adams) and and his team...

[Hartley]

Untrue. You have made more unsubstantiated and untrue allegations than I have the time or inclination to count, Hartley. Almost every one of the numerous personal attacks you post here is an unsubstantiated lie.

Not sure what it is that has convinced you to get involved again, but you are welcome to your opinion, unfortunately I believe you are in the minority.

[Roch]

Sorry to go back-over but I don't think Hartley is who people think he might be.  Therefore any attempt to expose his ID might back-fire.

[Chochokeira]

Untrue. You have made more unsubstantiated and untrue allegations than I have the time or inclination to count, Hartley. Almost every one of the numerous personal attacks you post here is an unsubstantiated lie.

Indeed, these seem to me to be part of Hartley's time honoured practice and game plan. As soon as you're in a corner, you begin lobbing personal abuse at a fast a furious pace in order to detract from your inability to address the issue or to deal with a point.

You then whine that you are the one being abused and that your victim is the one abusing YOU!

[Hartley]

It is very odd, that although police received a screaming ranting response from Sheila, that none of the officers make mention of it, in the composite witness statements that were re-written for them by the DPP (Mr Adams) and and his team...

Unfortunately we are back to that yet again. You are unable to provide and evidence that Sheila was alive at that time, let alone screaming, ranting or responding. Bearing that in mind and therefore the likelihood that it is untrue, it is not unusual that there is no mention of it anywhere at all.

[mike tesko]

Now...

Lets get something right...


If anyone wants to keep relying upon these composite statements that were edited by the DPP and say that this is the truth about what each firearms officer saw, and heard, then of course, it is all fantasy, because the words recorded in these composite statements were not made by the police officers themselves, those/these statements are worded and phrased by the DPP to only include parts of the evidence that supported the prosecutions case...

Now...

This cannot be right or lawful, the DPP was a crook just like all those who falsified the evidence that was used to help convict Jeremy, for these murders...

[vidvic]

Indeed, these seem to me to be part of Hartley's time honoured practice and game plan. As soon as you're in a corner, you begin lobbing personal abuse at a fast a furious pace in order to detract from your inability to address the issue or to deal with a point.

You then whine that you are the one being abused and that your victim is the one abusing YOU!

I think you're probably referring to the wrong forum!!?? This is not the Hartley I recognise!!

[Chochokeira]

Sorry to go back-over but I don't think Hartley is who people think he might be.  Therefore any attempt to expose his ID might back-fire.

Hi Rocky, Who do you believe people think Hartley might be?