Police received screaming and ranting responses from inside farmhouse

[andrea]

NOT MAYBE, ACUALLY...

You've lost me, explain.

[Newbury1]

My Christian name is Steve, my surname is none of your biscuits, which is coincidental, about the same level of information that 90% of other forum members have been willing to share.

Would you care to inform the other members of this forum, what serious allegations you think I have made, please enlighten them (and me).

Hartley, so far you haven't taken the bait and I'm sure you won't. I'm also "sure" the moderators will step in on this unwarranted personal attack (I am currently holding me breath  ).

I will not believe the headline of this thread (as grabbing as it is) without actual proof, which I believe is in the possession of Q  (and knows Z, apparently only lives about 8 letters away  )

I believe buddy mentioned recently that the Forum is getting a little quiet. I also believe this thread headline may be designed to evoke a little added interest, so to speak, whilst in this doldrums period leading up the CCRC deadline!!

[tonyb]

and incidentally,according to google i don't think the use of Idiot is accurate.....

[Hartley]

The idiot has disclosed his Christian name, so what is so top secret that he cannot disclose his surname. And how about a picture of himself, posted by himself, then I will consider talking to him and responding to him, properly. If he does that, I may even change my mind and start responding directly to the idiot, despite the fact that I have previously said, I wouldn't do...

If he was open and honest, I might even consider apologising for calling him an idiot?

If these condition's were met, then who knows, I might even accpet that the only idiot in this matter was/is me...

You edited your post after I replied to it. I don't need or expect an apology from you Mike, you are welcome to hold whatever opinion of me you like, just as I do of yourself.

Again back to reality, the only issue here is that you are unable to sustain or respond to my opposing and questioning posts, so instead you have become abusive, as you have done many times over the last year or so on this forum. I would say that the issue lies with yourself.

[mike tesko]

There is a vast difference between someone expressing an opinion, and someone making very serious allegations, now if the idiot wants to keep making allegations rather than expressing an opinion, he should identify himself properly to everyone so that everyone can see that he is not hiding behind a false identity, so that everyone can take him at his word for what he says and who he is...

[mike tesko]

The idiot intends to remain unidentified, so that he can keep making faklser and unsubstantiated allegations...

he remains an idiot...

I will not correspond with the idiot or about him, any further...

[Hartley]

and incidentally,according to google i don't think the use of Idiot is accurate.....

Yeah I'd go along with that at a stretch. 

Idiot
A person of profound mental retardation having a mental age below three years and generally being unable to learn connected speech or guard against common dangers. The term belongs to a classification system no longer in use and is now considered offensive.

[Hartley]

The idiot intends to remain unidentified, so that he can keep making faklser and unsubstantiated allegations...

he remains an idiot...

I will not correspond with the idiot or about him, any further...

Well unfortunately most people on here, regardless of their view on the case, do have a certain amount of intelligence and decency about themselves.

I don't think anybody on here would honestly agree that I keep making unsubstantiated allegations (well with the exception of one, and we know who they are  ).

[mike tesko]

Police at the scene,and elsewhere in the control room, heard Sheila screaming and ranting whilst officers were present at the scene, furthermore, police stage managed the body at the scene, and blamed Jeremy for doing that which they themselves had been irresponsible for doing - as backed up by the photopgraphic evidence...

[Hartley]

Police at the scene,and elsewhere in the control room, heard Sheila screaming and ranting whilst officers were present at the scene, furthermore, police stage managed the body at the scene, and blamed Jeremy for doing that which they themselves had been irresponsible for doing - as backed up by the photopgraphic evidence...

Would you care to provide the members of your forum with evidence which supports this please?

[mike tesko]

If Sheila was screaming and ranting, after the armed police arrived at the scene, then of course, Jeremy could not have shot and killed her in the bedroom, and he could not possibly have removed the silencer from the end of the tuns barrel after he shot and killed her in the bedroom, and took the silencer all the way downstairs to hide and conceal it in the gun cupboard, or stageb managed her body in the bedroom to suggest that she had taken her own life, as alleged...

[Hartley]

If Sheila was screaming and ranting, after the armed police arrived at the scene, then of course, Jeremy could not have shot and killed her in the bedroom, and he could not possibly have removed the silencer from the end of the tuns barrel after he shot and killed her in the bedroom, and took the silencer all the way downstairs to hide and conceal it in the gun cupboard, or stageb managed her body in the bedroom to suggest that she had taken her own life, as alleged...

Yes that's absolutely right, 'IF' Sheila was ranting and screaming. However there doesn't seem to be any evidence to that effect and when asked to provide some you shy away, why is that?

[mike tesko]

Let us also not forget, that members of the raid team which actually entered the farmhouse at about 7:30am, that morning (7th August 1985) told the COLP investigators (1991) that when they got into the farmhouse they saw nothing to contradict anything other that what they were dealing with was a case of "FOUR MURDERS AND A SUICIDE"...

Now...

What more can I say?

[mike tesko]

Reason police at the scene spent over three and a half hours dithering over whether or not to storm the farmhouse, could easily be cleared up if police disclosed audio recordings of eavesdrop...

So, why withhold this evidence under pii?

[andrea]

Let us also not forget, that members of the raid team which actually entered the farmhouse at about 7:30am, that morning (7th August 1985) told the COLP investigators (1991) that when they got into the farmhouse they saw nothing to contradict anything other that what they were dealing with was a case of "FOUR MURDERS AND A SUICIDE"...

Now...

What more can I say?

Wasnt it the raid teams job just to go in and make the scene safe, not to actually investigate what went on.