How did the relatives know JB had not been seen moving between WHF and his home

[grahameb]

What allows you to come to that conclusion? Bearing in mind that there is no evidence of this whole incident in the first place?

Plus, which relative was it? They are often grouped together but they are individuals, so it would be interesting to hear who allegedly made the claim.

Another thing to contemplate is that does anybody really think it likely that one of them would claim something which could so easily be checked and found wanting?

I maintain, that it is in my opinion, untrue.

Just another of those rumours it appears? Jeremy was not seen by anyone that night.

[vidvic]

so, just to be clear, the 'family', knowing full well that JB had worked on the farm all day and not needing to creep around in a ditch(!!!) MAY, seemingly because Mike says so, MAY have told the police that a lorry driver saw JB in a ditch, and because having traced lots of cars and trucks, and no lorry driver reported seeing JB, then this is absolute proof that the family told a lie? Nice to see them get such a fair hearing!!

[grahameb]

so, just to be clear, the 'family', knowing full well that JB had worked on the farm all day and not needing to creep around in a ditch(!!!) MAY, seemingly because Mike says so, MAY have told the police that a lorry driver saw JB in a ditch, and because having traced lots of cars and trucks, and no lorry driver reported seeing JB, then this is absolute proof that the family told a lie? Nice to see them get such a fair hearing!!

It was my understanding that they hadn't had contact with the Bambers since Christmas. Is that correct?

[smiffy]

It was my understanding that they hadn't had contact with the Bambers since Christmas. Is that correct?

Lets see how vidvic anwers that.
I know your understanding to be wrong grahame as RWB had been to whf at least...and it seems to be only him from the paperwork available.

[vidvic]

Lets see how vidvic anwers that.
I know your understanding to be wrong grahame as RWB had been to whf at least...and it seems to be only him from the paperwork available.

Peter Eaton and Nevill spoke or saw each other very regularly because of the farms. I wont say daily but many times a month. Peter often did business with Nevill. Pam and June saw each other very regularly, at least monthly. Ann was quite close to Sheila, they wrote to each other but didn't see each other that regularly as Sheila lived in London and Ann had her own children to bring up. Ann's children and the twins are similar ages so it was a good match up.

[grahameb]

Peter Eaton and Nevill spoke or saw each other very regularly because of the farms. I wont say daily but many times a month. Peter often did business with Nevill. Pam and June saw each other very regularly, at least monthly. Ann was quite close to Sheila, they wrote to each other but didn't see each other that regularly as Sheila lived in London and Ann had her own children to bring up. Ann's children and the twins are similar ages so it was a good match up.

Thank you for clarifying that Vic. But didn't I read somewhere (it may have been in one of Ann's statements) I can't recall where for the moment? That she stated that she hadn't been to the Bamber's home since Christmas that last year? I was thinking rather of them making a song and dance over a scratch on the mantle piece which could have been made months earlier? I'm just wondering why they noticed a scratch, which personally I wouldn't think twice about in my house and I live here. It isn't as if the Bamber's house was that tidy so you'd notice such little things like a scratch? So why would Ann who said she hadn't been to the house since Christmas notice such a thing?

[Hartley]

Also further information can be seen in the Anns 1991 COLP statement.

Link to whole document: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,497.msg8443.html#msg8443

A composite extract highlighting the point is attached below.

[grahameb]

Also further information can be seen in the Anns 1991 COLP statement.

Link to whole document: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,497.msg8443.html#msg8443

A composite extract highlighting the point is attached below.

Yes it does appear to contradict what I said doesn't it? Although I'm sure I read it in someone's statement?

[smiffy]

Yes it does appear to contradict what I said doesn't it? Although I'm sure I read it in someone's statement?

The only relative confirmed to have gone to whf was RWB it seems , Contact with the Bambers all taking place away from whf except for once it seems by RWB and one visit by Pargetter since xmas 1984.

[grahameb]

The only relative confirmed to have gone to whf was RWB it seems , Contact with the Bambers all taking place away from whf except for once it seems by RWB and one visit by Pargetter since xmas 1984.

Have you got a reference for that smiffy? I can't find where I read it.

[vidvic]

The only relative confirmed to have gone to whf was RWB it seems , Contact with the Bambers all taking place away from whf except for once it seems by RWB and one visit by Pargetter since xmas 1984.

I have no evidence to show that my mother and father visited here on Christmas day, well, nothing written down, but honestly, they did!! Nothing confirmed though........

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Also further information can be seen in the Anns 1991 COLP statement.

Link to whole document: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,497.msg8443.html#msg8443

A composite extract highlighting the point is attached below.

That is not what I would describe as a close family relationship. Her only regular monthly contact with NB was at the GM for the caravan park or advice about farming matters. That is more of a business relationship would you not say? She only remembers June Bamber because of her visits to her grandmother. I don't think she knew the goings on at WHF at all.

[Alias]

Peter Eaton and Nevill spoke or saw each other very regularly because of the farms. I wont say daily but many times a month. Peter often did business with Nevill. Pam and June saw each other very regularly, at least monthly. Ann was quite close to Sheila, they wrote to each other but didn't see each other that regularly as Sheila lived in London and Ann had her own children to bring up. Ann's children and the twins are similar ages so it was a good match up.

But Ann said she couldn´t go identify the bodies, because she couldn´t tell the twins apart. She couldn´t have known them that well.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

That's because she had probably never seen them or only as babies maybe. Everything I read about this family who claim to be "close" proves that they were far from it. I do not think monthly (maybe longer) contact indicates a close family. Quite the opposite. Somebody on here, sorry I can't remember who, describe JB  as the cuckoo in the nest and I could not have found a better analogy myself. An adopted boy who stood to inherit the family fortune- don't tell me that the Boutflours and Eatons weren't furious about that.

[mertol22]

But Ann said she couldn´t go identify the bodies, because she couldn´t tell the twins apart. She couldn´t have known them that well.

Not a problem for mugford though was it not, a non family member , how on earth could the police allowed this i will never know.