Police did not only move Sheila's hand, to photograph marks on Nightdress...

[tonyb]

That is exacly my point Neil. She would have put the barrel in her gob, and not frigged around trying to find the sweet shot.

With a handgun, mouth no doubt. A rifle would be more difficult,bending to the trigger wouldn't the jaw hamper you?

[grahameb]

That is exacly my point Neil. She would have put the barrel in her gob, and not frigged around trying to find the sweet shot.

I wouldn't put a gun in me mouth. It might hurt if it went off?

[ngb1066]

With a handgun, mouth no doubt. A rifle would be more difficult,bending to the trigger wouldn't the jaw hamper you?

Yes, to an extent it would.  I have experimented (obviously with an unloaded rifle!) and it is easier to position the barrel where the shot will be fatal if the barrel is positioned against the roof of the mouth.  It helps to be sitting or even standing rather than lying down.  It is more confortable placing the barrel under the chin, but more difficult to get the angle right so that the bullet will enter the brain.  The third option with a rifle is of course to place the barrel against the forehead.  Derek Bird committed suicide that way using his .22 rifle.  It is more difficult than the other two methods and requires a longer reach.

 

[tonyb]

Yes, to an extent it would.  I have experimented (obviously with an unloaded rifle!) and it is easier to position the barrel where the shot will be fatal if the barrel is positioned against the roof of the mouth.  It helps to be sitting or even standing rather than lying down.  It is more confortable placing the barrel under the chin, but more difficult to get the angle right so that the bullet will enter the brain.  The third option with a rifle is of course to place the barrel against the forehead.  Derek Bird committed suicide that way using his .22 rifle.  It is more difficult than the other two methods and requires a longer reach.

 
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Hence almost, the problem in a "clean" 1st. shot.

[tyler]

I am assuming that the TRAINING firearms team had weapons.
Would anyone happen to know if they were likely to have used blank bullets?

[grahameb]

I am assuming that the TRAINING firearms team had weapons.
Would anyone happen to know if they were likely to have used blank bullets?

Actually I know someone who was shot with a black bullet.

[HMEssex]

Actually I know someone who was shot with a black bullet.

Black bullet, Grahame?

[Roch]

What on earth is going on with that bedding in those photos? 

What a belting thread this is.  Like the forum of old.  I note a distinct lack of opinions from our opposition brethren on this thread also.

[Hartley]

I note a distinct lack of opinions from our opposition brethren on this thread also.

Why does that bother you? 

[tyler]

I am assuming that the TRAINING firearms team had weapons.
Would anyone happen to know if they were likely to have used blank bullets?

Nobody knows?Only,I found this interesting info;

Clarot et al (2003) reported a case of head injury caused by a tear-gas cartridge fired in a suicide.The weapon was 8mm blank firing pistol loaded with a cs 8mm cartridge.
The discharge of blank firing guns or tear gas cartridges produces a gas jet capable of causing pronounced close range contact wounds.
Some bullets are prone to fragment or splinter and will cause additional damage to the surrounding tissue.

[mertol22]

everything about the pictures of Sheila are all wrong, that is not a place of death why is there no blood against the bedroom cabinet a clinical set of photos.

[grahameb]

Black bullet, Grahame?

Sorry I meant blank.

[Roch]

Why does that bother you? 

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.  I just think it's amusing when posters from either side deliberately avoid posting on something because they're probably on a hiding to nothing.

[Hartley]

It doesn't bother me in the slightest.  I just think it's amusing when posters from either side deliberately avoid posting on something because they're probably on a hiding to nothing.

I'm not avoiding anything, some allegations are so ridiculous and based on nothing, that there is no discussion to take place,no document to refer to, no argument to be had.

What I am finding slightly amusing, is that it appears to me that you have stopped discussing the case in favour of discussing forum members with opposing views. Perhaps amusing is the wrong word, but it seems that you were once reasonable and respectful, yet now you are not. It's the sort of thing other people come out with, not you.
If I am away from the forum, have not posted for a while or have not posted in a particular thread, please don't mould that into some sort of smug victory, when the reality is that I simply went out for dinner. 

I do have a great deal of respect for you Rochy, hence why I have shared with you what I have, but I must admit, all of this concentration on individuals or groups of individuals with opposing views, is out of character to that person who I garnered such respect for.

I don't get it. If you have a question to ask then fire away, if it is asked politely with a certain amount of respectfulness then you will get a reply accordingly, if it is not, then you may also get a reply accordingly. 

[Roch]

Hartley you might be falling prey to becoming a bit sensitive. 

You are a bit of a player in that you use certain repetitive 'tactics' at times, imo.    Then you let fly and remonstrate, when those same tactics draw in a little heat from the posters on my side.  It's also difficult not to address posts to you, when you are virtually the only 'opposition' on here. 

If I had a question relating to this thread, it would be around the bedding.  I find it very puzzling. 

I hope nobody responds with 'camera angles'.