Would it have been possible to move position of arm and right hand after 7 hours

[mike tesko]

Mike
you are incorrect stating RM starts to set in after 4 hours as per (1) in reply 1 (as modified) it could be 6 hours before it STARTS to set in.
please read my reply 4 aswell as 5

if you follow the links, it is not me saying it, the information comes from other sources, and it should be obvious that the onset of RM differs from case to case, and circumstance to circumstance, so if you are trying to get some sort of mileage out of this argument and blame me for it, then carry on, do what you have to do...

Fact is, Sheila was not long since dead when police tampered with her body, they not only changed the position of her arm to allow the marks on the nightdress to be photographed, they changed the shape and positioning of her right hand and fingers. I do not believe they would have been able to do that so easily if Sheila had been already dead for at least seven and to as long as nine hours previously? There was not an estimated time of death when she died at the scene. The only reference was made by the pathologist who carried out the autopsy on her body at about 3:30pm that same date, and he concluded that the condition of the body was consistent with her having died several hours previously, now what did he mean by saying that the condition of her body was consistent with her having died several hours previous to 3:30pm, on the afternoon of 7th August 1985?

[mike tesko]

Who made these bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's neck/throat, before she was shot, and why?

I suppose Jeremy made them...

We now know of course, that it could not have been Jeremy who put the rifles barrel against the left hand side of Sheila's neck, but rather the police did...

[mike tesko]

Where did the blood come from that made those bloodied fingermarks?

[grahameb]

Who made these bloodied fingermarks on Sheila's neck/throat, before she was shot, and why?

I suppose Jeremy made them...

We now know of course, that it could not have been Jeremy who put the rifles barrel against the left hand side of Sheila's neck, but rather the police did...

I'm just wondering if they were actually made after she was shot and the moving of her body caused the blood to flow again over the marks?

[mike tesko]

I'm just wondering if they were actually made after she was shot and the moving of her body caused the blood to flow again over the marks?

I considered that, but that would mean that the police or a police officer held his fingers over the fatal entry wound to stop blood from pouring out, until after her body was transported from the bed to the floor? Now this is not so daft an idea, because having seen the photographs of Sheila on the bed, there was no blood coming from the corners of her mouth, and in the other there was only one wound on Sheila's neck whilst she was on the bed, so the way I see it, Sheila could have been shot for a second time accidentally on the bed, and carried onto the floor whilst a police officer sought to prevent blood from leaking or running or pouring from the second wound, until they got her onto the floor from the bed?

There is no doubt at all in my mind that Sheila's head moved about a lot during the displacement of her body from the bed to the floor, and I think the leaking blood from the corners of her mouth, and the way it ran back at one stage into the socket of her left eye,  suggests in the strongest possible way that somebody could have been holding their fingers against the fatal entry wound whilst they were moving her body from the bed to the floor...

I would like to hear the views of others about this possibility, if possible?

[mike tesko]

Linked to this, could be the absence of any bloodstain on the bedroom carpet, beneath where Sheila's body was later photographed by the police, of a bloodstain found on the back or rear of the nightdress. How could such a bloodstain be present on the rear of Sheila's nightdress, and yet be absent from the carpet, beneath which her body was photographed to be laying upon?

It should be obvious to anybody, that by the time Sheila's body was moved from the bed to the bedroom carpet, the blood on the rear of her nightdress had already dried, so as not to stain the carpet beneath her body...

[mike tesko]

I am also convinced that blood is only running from one of the two wounds upon Sheila's neck/throat at the time this picture was taken...

[mike tesko]

I think that what appears to be blood running away from the lower entry wound, is actually blood from the upper entry wound, that got transferred onto that part of the neck/throat when police transported her body from the bed to the floor...

[mike tesko]

I think that what appears to be blood running away from the lower entry wound, is actually blood from the upper entry wound, that got transferred onto that part of the neck/throat when police transported her body from the bed to the floor...

I don't believe there was any blood running from the lower entry wound at all, and that the blood which appears to be running from it, is actually blood that got transferred onto that part of her neck when police moved her body from the bed to the floor, at which time a police officer was applying his fingers to the upper fatal entry wound to prevent blood from running and leaking out until after they got her body onto the floor that that at this time, or during this process Sheila's head moved about considerable, resulting in blood running from the corners of her mouth, and back into her left eye socket...

The dried bloodstain on the rear of her nightdress, is consistent with any blood from the original lower entry wound already having dried before Sheila was shot for the second time, in my opinion...

[mike tesko]

I also do not think that Sheila's body could have been carried or moved from the bed to the bedroom floor, by only one person, it had to be two or more...

[mike tesko]

Blood from original lower entry wound had already dried by the time police moved Sheila's body from bed to floor, and marks from the original entry wound became transferred onto different parts of her neck, whilst the fingers of a police officer tried to prevent blood from running out of the upper fatal entry wound...

This helps to explain why blood ran back into the socket of Sheila's left eye, during the movement stage of the body being transferred from the bed to the bedroom floor...

[mike tesko]

Gun was not on the body whilst it was being moved from the bed to the floor...

[tonyb]

if you follow the links, it is not me saying it, the information comes from other sources, and it should be obvious that the onset of RM differs from case to case, and circumstance to circumstance, so if you are trying to get some sort of mileage out of this argument and blame me for it, then carry on, do what you have to do...

Fact is, Sheila was not long since dead when police tampered with her body, they not only changed the position of her arm to allow the marks on the nightdress to be photographed, they changed the shape and positioning of her right hand and fingers. I do not believe they would have been able to do that so easily if Sheila had been already dead for at least seven and to as long as nine hours previously? There was not an estimated time of death when she died at the scene. The only reference was made by the pathologist who carried out the autopsy on her body at about 3:30pm that same date, and he concluded that the condition of the body was consistent with her having died several hours previously, now what did he mean by saying that the condition of her body was consistent with her having died several hours previous to 3:30pm, on the afternoon of 7th August 1985?

Onset of RM differs,I know,I did point that out in my first post if you read it.that therefore means RM can begin AFTER 6 hours, your information Mike, not mine.

[mike tesko]

Onset of RM differs,I know,I did point that out in my first post if you read it.that therefore means RM can begin AFTER 6 hours, your information Mike, not mine.

Ok, and to get the facts right, you nor anybody else knows the exact time when Sheila died, is that correct?

[tonyb]

Gun was not on the body whilst it was being moved from the bed to the floor...

Where's the EVIDENCE /PROOF of that ?