the Official Campaign Team

[Jackiepreece]

Tbh

It looks like xxxx is friendly with Maria and Bambertweets keep thanking them for the good work they do


As I said I will get to the bottom of this once and for all

My guess is xxxx and xxxx are behind this they were certainly behind cut and pasting my twitter accounts

Maybe at last Jeremy will get rid of the two troublemakers and concentrate on his case


All I need is the names of the people who gave these two the information

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley correct me if I'm wrong wasn't their inviting among the relatives over Jeremys money

Didn't one of them have to go to court to get his cut

They were males weren't they

[Hartley]

Hartley correct me if I'm wrong wasn't their inviting among the relatives over Jeremys money

Didn't one of them have to go to court to get his cut

They were males weren't they

Did you not want to answer then? As I said I was just curious, you brought the subject up so I understood that you wanted it to be discussed.

In reply to your own question, there was a civil case brought against other relatives by the Pargeters when they felt that items belonging to the Speakman estate had been omitted and they were entitled to additional funds. I believe there are documents posted on the forum which describe the civil case, I will endeavour to provide you with a link if you think it would be helpful?

I think you are misunderstood by referring to any monies as ever having belonged to Jeremy though, it's a fact of law.

[ngb1066]

Why do such fights between supporters occur?I mean, okay I can understand why somebody who thinks Jeremy is guilty would be fighting with somebody who thinks he is innocent, but you all supposedly hold the same or at least similar views, I don't understand there being any reason to conflict.

Not meaning to incite, I really am just being curious, but my perception is that these conflicts are predominantly amongst female supporters, would you concur?

I have no idea why these fights occur but they totally counterproductive and unnecessary.

It does appear to be predominantly female supporters responsible for the attacks.  It seems that anyone falling out of favour with the inner core of the campaign team and the facebook innocent page is likely to become a target for attack.  I believe it seriously weakens the campaign on behalf of Jeremy and it should stop.  I keep away from facebook and twitter, largely for this reason.  I do not want to be drawn into it.

[Hartley]

I have no idea why these fights occur but they totally counterproductive and unnecessary.

It does appear to be predominantly female supporters responsible for the attacks.  It seems that anyone falling out of favour with the inner core of the campaign team and the facebook innocent page is likely to become a target for attack.  I believe it seriously weakens the campaign on behalf of Jeremy and it should stop.  I keep away from facebook and twitter, largely for this reason.  I do not want to be drawn into it.

It does surprise me that more isn't being done to control these situations, the public awareness efforts and campaigning are clearly an extremely important aspect to Jeremys fight for freedom (regardless of my views).

My observations about it being predominantly caused be females, was not intended as a dig or to be offensive, similar traits and incidents are often witnessed in work places.

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley

I just want to point out I don't do Facebook and the only contact I have had with other campaigners is with xxxx and xxxx
Both these people got in contact with me.
I had xxxx on the phone for up to 5 hours at a time, she wanted to know all about me wanted photos the lot, obviously thought I was competion as she said Jeremy was going to live with her when he leaves prison. She stopped contact the minute Jeremy told her he rang me.
Lorna Lake was obviously again just being nosey.

I enjoy campaigning on twitter and I don't mix with ANYONE personally and this is the first time I have been attacked on twitter and by so called friends of Jeremy

I would like to state once again I have never been anymore than a friend to Jeremy.

Is that clear Hartley because I don't understand these women

[andrea]

The campaign team are working on a notorious case, it should be taken with a tad more seriousness than it is at the moment, not infighting with other supporters, its not looking good at all.

[Jackiepreece]

Andrea
Could you explain what you mean by they should be taking it more seriously

[grahameb]

Why do such fights between supporters occur?

I mean, okay I can understand why somebody who thinks Jeremy is guilty would be fighting with somebody who thinks he is innocent, but you all supposedly hold the same or at least similar views, I don't understand there being any reason to conflict.

Not meaning to incite, I really am just being curious, but my perception is that these conflicts are predominantly amongst female supporters, would you concur?

As I have indicated already, I suspect these people to be false supporters? On the other hand I must admit to being as puzzled as you are on this. All I am doing is defending a friend who has been verbally abused. I must say I too find it rather odd that these people wish to pick fights with each other about who supports Jeremy the best? I've tried to sort this out for ages. But I must also admit that there are indeed some who need to get a life and only support Jeremy because he looks a handsome chap? But as with any other campaign group for good you always seem to get the trouble makers. You don't get fights among the anti Bambers because they are united in hate and you cannot have many variants in such and attitude, it just takes very depraved hearts which have an agreed logic in the subject they hate?

[Jackiepreece]

Hartley that wasn't a snipe at you I just don't understand the way these women carry on

You can rest assured there is NO public awareness campaign by the campaign team

Zilch

[Hartley]

Hartley that wasn't a snipe at you I just don't understand the way these women carry on

You can rest assured there is NO public awareness campaign by the campaign team

Zilch

Fair enough. The only advice I have for you, which I've given to you before, is to ignore them, I know it's difficult if not almost impossible. Not sure what else to say really, I'd assumed that there was some underlying reason or incident that was to blame, but it would, from what is being said, appear not. 

[grahameb]

As I have indicated already, I suspect these people to be false supporters? On the other hand I must admit to being as puzzled as you are on this. All I am doing is defending a friend who has been verbally abused. I must say I too find it rather odd that these people wish to pick fights with each other about who supports Jeremy the best? I've tried to sort this out for ages.

But I must also admit that there are indeed some who need to get a life and only support Jeremy because he looks a handsome chap? But as with any other campaign group for good you always seem to get the trouble makers. You don't get fights among the anti Bambers because they are united in hate and you cannot have many variants in such and attitude, it just takes very depraved hearts which have an agreed logic in the subject they hate?

In fact it doesn't take much effort to hate something as no organised campaigning is necessary. In fact any lazy slob can hate and that gets others in the loop. There doesn't seem to be much organisation in it at all. Hate cannot grow. It does not build bridges or relationships. It is far easier to break something down than to build something up.

You always get disagreements among builders. But I should think that it doesn't take much imagination to bulldoze a building. Any ignorant person can hate. They follow oneanother blindly. But it takes thought and intelligence to create something. I think hartley's comment to the effect as to why we can't "control" these people is a bit of a hollow thoughtless swipe at supporters. As one can only do that in a communist or Nazi society where obedience is driven by fear. How do you expect us simple folk to "control" something that is beyond our control, when even the government cannot control the behaviour of all its citizens?

[Hartley]

In fact it doesn't take much effort to hate something as no organised campaigning is necessary. In fact any lazy slob can hate and that gets others in the loop. There doesn't seem to be much organisation in it at all. Hate cannot grow. It does not build bridges or relationships. It is far easier to break something down than to build something up.

You always get disagreements among builders. But I should think that it doesn't take much imagination to bulldoze a building. Any ignorant person can hate. They follow oneanother blindly. But it takes thought and intelligence to create something. I think hartley's comment to the effect as to why we can't "control" these people is a bit of a hollow thoughtless swipe at supporters. As one can only do that in a communist or Nazi society where obedience is driven by fear. How do you expect us simple folk to "control" something that is beyond our control, when even the government cannot control the behaviour of all its citizens?

To be fair Grahame, change that around a bit and make the relatives the subject of the hatred and you get to see that it's all about perspectives.

No, none my comments were a hollow swipe at anything, if an official campaign team is put together then it can be controlled to a certain degree, certainly a better degree than it currently is.

What it appears to me is, yet again, your comments are a hollow swipe at me, you just can't control yourself. 

[Newbury1]

I have no idea why these fights occur but they totally counterproductive and unnecessary.

It does appear to be predominantly female supporters responsible for the attacks.  It seems that anyone falling out of favour with the inner core of the campaign team and the facebook innocent page is likely to become a target for attack.  I believe it seriously weakens the campaign on behalf of Jeremy and it should stop.  I keep away from facebook and twitter, largely for this reason.  I do not want to be drawn into it.

Emotions are no doubt running high, especially with latest extended period end looming.

I feel there is a little jockeying for position going on here should the eventual outcome be favourable to JB and his team of adm.. - I mean supporters!!  

ngb, are you still confident the defense team will have had enough time to have prepared a strong enough case by this close date (31 Jan 12)?

How long after the close date (if it is not extended further) do you anticipate the CCRC responding with their decision?

I would love to know what induced Mckay to enter the fray so late in day - I assume it must be something significant - or his name will be mud like the previous JB lawyers.

If the CCRC decline this latest appeal will Mckay continue with the cause?

[TJB65]

Just a little mood lightener