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Motive for murder?
« on: January 03, 2012, 12:32:AM »
As everybody knows,Jeremy was convicted for allegedly murdering his family in order to gain the family inheritance.
But there appeared to be arguments,jealousy and disatisfaction running throughout the WHOLE family.
It has been said that Anthony Pargeter was arguing with Nevill over money issues prior to Nevills death.
Anthony was also said to have been furious that Nevill gifted Jeremy a farm(again prior to the murders) that Anthony had felt should have remained in the Pargeter family.
The Eatons needed Nevill to purchase Peter Eatons brothers land in order that they could purchase it back at a later date.
And when Ann Eaton told Jeremy of her intentions to purchase Vaulty Manor Farm,(the Speakman family home)Jeremy confided to her that Nevill intended to purchase it.Ann was so furious at this information that she tore down all the wallpaper in one of the bathrooms at Oak Farm! Yet another farm that Nevill had a share in (allegedly half-owned).
It appears to me that the Boutflours/Eatons may have resented the Bamber family?It seems as if Nevill was attempting to buy up most of the Speakman empire.Business was,for him and June,thriving,whilst at the same time,the Boutflours/Eatons were said to have had financial problems.
I personally think that it was criminal of EP that they did not investigate the entire family.

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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2012, 02:00:AM »
Well, whatever else may be true, it is evident that "The love of money is the root of all evil", to be sure.

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« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2012, 03:01:AM »
I think it is very obvious to everyone on this forum the amount of deception that went on with the conviction of JB. Mike has posted so much stuff it's plain to see.  Hopefully Simon will work his magic on this case but if the powers that be decide it's going to cost too much it's time for Plan B.
Everything is being put in place to publicise the case not only on twitter, but magazines, papers and tv
Just over a month ago I changed my focus from legal people (I have most of them) to anyone involved in the media. The response is unbelievable and the newest video is nearly finished. Every media person will be receiving all the relevant information by pm starting with the horseplay incident.

There is nothing the CCRC will hate more than a rush of publicity just when they are sitting down to make there decision on whether to refer the case


Brilliant post as usual Tyler

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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2012, 07:22:AM »
It didn`t  become clear to Jeremy until after he spoke to the legal executor of his parents estates that it would depend upon the order the victims died, as to who might benefit from the wills?

Police were unable to work out order of death...

It was left to Robert Boutflour to suggest the children had been shot first...
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 09:36:AM by mike tesko »
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2012, 07:45:AM »
Robert Boutflour suggested the children had died first, the police went along with it and it became official?  There was never a time of death given was there, only to say they had died sometime the previous night ? Badly investigated case, as we all know.

IMO if we ever had a good look at some other high profile cases, we would probably see lots of inconsistencies, mistakes or whatever you want to call them, the only difference being in those cases the defendant admitted guilt and the mistakes didnt matter because they had the right man.



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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2012, 08:02:AM »
As everybody knows,Jeremy was convicted for allegedly murdering his family in order to gain the family inheritance.
But there appeared to be arguments,jealousy and disatisfaction running throughout the WHOLE family.
It has been said that Anthony Pargeter was arguing with Nevill over money issues prior to Nevills death.
Anthony was also said to have been furious that Nevill gifted Jeremy a farm(again prior to the murders) that Anthony had felt should have remained in the Pargeter family.
The Eatons needed Nevill to purchase Peter Eatons brothers land in order that they could purchase it back at a later date.
And when Ann Eaton told Jeremy of her intentions to purchase Vaulty Manor Farm,(the Speakman family home)Jeremy confided to her that Nevill intended to purchase it.Ann was so furious at this information that she tore down all the wallpaper in one of the bathrooms at Oak Farm! Yet another farm that Nevill had a share in (allegedly half-owned).
It appears to me that the Boutflours/Eatons may have resented the Bamber family?It seems as if Nevill was attempting to buy up most of the Speakman empire.Business was,for him and June,thriving,whilst at the same time,the Boutflours/Eatons were said to have had financial problems.
I personally think that it was criminal of EP that they did not investigate the entire family.


Excellent post, Tyler! Another, related issue is that of Nevill's financial position prior to his marriage to June.

Nevill had been a lowly agricultural student of June's Uncle at a college in Gloucestershire when he met June Speakman. He must have been an able student as RB brought Nevill down to Essex to work on June's father's farm, he and June met at a dance, I believe.

Although Nevill's father and grandfather were soldiers and later civil servants in the British Raj, their standard of life would have dropped substantially when they returned to England and retired. With huge troops of children and a couple of servants to keep, Nevill's retired grandfather and father may soon have exhausted any savings they brought back from India. Properties here would have been far more expensive than those the Bambers had owned in Bengal and the cost of living and of employing servants would have far more expensive.

Grandfather and father Bamber did not buy farms when they returned to UK, they instead settled down as lowly civil service pensioners. Nevill's grandfather may have inherited a share in his father's farm during his service period in India, however, given the troop of children the Bambers had, any unspent residue from that would have been split between the grandfather and his siblings.

In the 1940s to 50s when Nevill was brought down to Essex to labour on June's father's farm, inheriting a share in his parents' £100k house was a long way off for Nevill. So what was Nevill's financial postion then? Wasn't he the poor boy of the family, merely a lowly agricultural student working on a farm when he married June and was given the tenancy of White House Farm?

If so, Nevill was a poor boy who appears to have become the richest of them all, allegedly owning shareholdings in June family's farms.
« Last Edit: January 03, 2012, 08:05:AM by Chochokeira »

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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2012, 08:20:PM »

Excellent post, Tyler! Another, related issue is that of Nevill's financial position prior to his marriage to June.

Nevill had been a lowly agricultural student of June's Uncle at a college in Gloucestershire when he met June Speakman. He must have been an able student as RB brought Nevill down to Essex to work on June's father's farm, he and June met at a dance, I believe.

Although Nevill's father and grandfather were soldiers and later civil servants in the British Raj, their standard of life would have dropped substantially when they returned to England and retired. With huge troops of children and a couple of servants to keep, Nevill's retired grandfather and father may soon have exhausted any savings they brought back from India. Properties here would have been far more expensive than those the Bambers had owned in Bengal and the cost of living and of employing servants would have far more expensive.

Grandfather and father Bamber did not buy farms when they returned to UK, they instead settled down as lowly civil service pensioners. Nevill's grandfather may have inherited a share in his father's farm during his service period in India, however, given the troop of children the Bambers had, any unspent residue from that would have been split between the grandfather and his siblings.

In the 1940s to 50s when Nevill was brought down to Essex to labour on June's father's farm, inheriting a share in his parents' £100k house was a long way off for Nevill. So what was Nevill's financial postion then? Wasn't he the poor boy of the family, merely a lowly agricultural student working on a farm when he married June and was given the tenancy of White House Farm?

If so, Nevill was a poor boy who appears to have become the richest of them all, allegedly owning shareholdings in June family's farms.

Chochokeira,
I am so glad that you posted this because it has been at the back of my mind for some time that
Nevill was originally penniless compared to the family that he became a member of by marrying June.
Gradually, he appeared to be aquireing everything for himself,June and their adopted children.
It certainly could have sown the seeds of considerable resentment from the blood relations!
Summmer ???

tyler

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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2012, 09:09:AM »
Keira,yes your post was very informative and interesting....thank you!
It is true,I know,that Nevill married into the Speakman wealth.Being given tenancy of whf and an additional farm upon his marriage to June.But RWB was gifted the same.He received tenancy of two farms in Wix upon his marriage to Pamela.But of the two men,Nevill appeared to become the most sucessful.He was originally in partnership with Leslie Speakman,and after Mr.Speakmans death,Nevill carried this over by building the comapny of N and J Bamber.This clearly must have caused much jealousy and resentment within the family.Nevills businesses thriving and RWB's obviously were not.



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Re: Motive for murder?
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2012, 04:06:PM »
as far as i can see everyone had a motive for murder.