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PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« on: January 25, 2011, 09:44:PM »
PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2011, 01:19:PM »
PS Adams visited the bedroom, where the  body of Sheila ended up, at just before 9 am...

Just before the time that mystery men arrived, resulting in the scene being stage managed by 9.22am...

Once the Coroners officer, PC Wright arrived, at about 9.25am, the gun was not on the body by this stage...


The gun was put onto the body later, after mystery men left house, at 9.22 am...

Jeremy Bamber could not have been responsible for stage managing Sheila's body at all in the bedroom,
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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 11:00:AM »
So PS Adams states that PC Collins looked through the kitchen window and saw Ralphs body which he mistook to be a female body.

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 11:25:AM »
It is also stated that the female body was actually Ralphs in Adams original statement.

See this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,188.0.html

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2011, 09:27:PM »
It is also stated that the female body was actually Ralphs in Adams original statement.

See this thread: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,188.0.html
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Where is the message that was passed to PS Adams from PC Collins about this ix up?

If you have got it, please post it so that we can all see what you are talking about - how did PC Collins who was inside the farm house, manage to inform PS Adams of this mix up, and if the explanation is such a simple one, why don't EP disclose the full version of those messages so that we can all see how this alleged mix up came about?

You see, it would be counter productive to produce such radio messages if they existed, because of the contents of the other radio messages, where after entry has been gained into the kitchen, it mentions discovering the body of one dead male and the body of one dead female (7:38am) - followed a minute later, by additional references, to finding one dead male, one dead female, and a few minutes later to a request for the police surgeon and the coroners officers to be contacted regarding two bodies (not one)...

Why would the police at the scene be talking about two bodies, if PC Collins had made a simple mistake?

If such a mistake had been made, why would the radio message logs talk about a dead male before the dead female, surely the references would have been the other way around (if PC Collins account was / is true), it would record for the fact that the body of one dead female followed by a reference to the body of one dead male, it just doesn't add up or equate...

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2011, 09:31:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2011, 09:41:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 09:48:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 09:53:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
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They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 09:57:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
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They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 10:04:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
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They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.
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PC Collins could not even see RB's body sat on that chair behind the internal kitchen door from the vantage point of the kitchen window...

impossible angle...

If he couldn't see RB's body, he could not have mistakenly identified it for the body of a dead female...

Simple...

At least that angle can be reconstructed, and a check can be made to see exactly what PC Collins could or could not have seen...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 10:05:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
-------------------

They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.
--------------------

PC Collins could not even see RB's body sat on that chair behind the internal kitchen door from the vantage point of the kitchen window...

impossible angle...

If he couldn't see RB's body, he could not have mistakenly identified it for the body of a dead female...

Simple...

At least that angle can be reconstructed, and a check can be made to see exactly what PC Collins could or could not have seen...

You don't know where exactly Nevill's body was though.

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2011, 10:16:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
-----------------

Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
-------------------

They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.
--------------------

PC Collins could not even see RB's body sat on that chair behind the internal kitchen door from the vantage point of the kitchen window...

impossible angle...

If he couldn't see RB's body, he could not have mistakenly identified it for the body of a dead female...

Simple...

At least that angle can be reconstructed, and a check can be made to see exactly what PC Collins could or could not have seen...

You don't know where exactly Nevill's body was though.
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It was behind the internal door - PC Collins could not have seen it, and PS Woodcocks original witness statement covers the point about Ralph being behind the door and the need to topple over the chair upon which is body was sat upon. - thats why he had to alter his statement...
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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2011, 10:18:PM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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Yeah?

Do you mean like when the senior officers told them to toe the line, and to get their stories right - thing is, PC Collins story was not right, it doesn't add up or correlate with the contents of the other police radio message log contents...

In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
-------------------

They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.
--------------------

PC Collins could not even see RB's body sat on that chair behind the internal kitchen door from the vantage point of the kitchen window...

impossible angle...

If he couldn't see RB's body, he could not have mistakenly identified it for the body of a dead female...

Simple...

At least that angle can be reconstructed, and a check can be made to see exactly what PC Collins could or could not have seen...

You don't know where exactly Nevill's body was though.
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It was behind the internal door - PC Collins could not have seen it, and PS Woodcocks original witness statement covers the point about Ralph being behind the door and the need to topple over the chair upon which is body was sat upon. - thats why he had to alter his statement...

Like I said, you don't know where Nevill's body was - unless you have a photo of it behind the door ... or you can post Woodcock's statement that the body was behind the door.

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Re: PS Adams speaks to COLP, 1991...
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2011, 08:03:AM »
Maybe, just maybe Collins said afterwards that he was mistaken about seeing a female body in the house.
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In his version, he has the female body mentioned before any mention of the male body, yet in the police radio message logs, the male body is mentioned before any reference to any female body...

OOOOPS...

Where did any of the officers say they'd been told to toe the line and get their stories straight?

I don't think it's signficant that the male body was noted first - lots of people think men are more important than women.  :P
-------------------

They couldn't even get their stories right...

Pathetic police work...

I don't think they disputed that - that's why there was an internal inquiry and also an external one.
--------------------

PC Collins could not even see RB's body sat on that chair behind the internal kitchen door from the vantage point of the kitchen window...

impossible angle...

If he couldn't see RB's body, he could not have mistakenly identified it for the body of a dead female...

Simple...

At least that angle can be reconstructed, and a check can be made to see exactly what PC Collins could or could not have seen...

You don't know where exactly Nevill's body was though.
----------------

It was behind the internal door - PC Collins could not have seen it, and PS Woodcocks original witness statement covers the point about Ralph being behind the door and the need to topple over the chair upon which is body was sat upon. - thats why he had to alter his statement...

Like I said, you don't know where Nevill's body was - unless you have a photo of it behind the door ... or you can post Woodcock's statement that the body was behind the door.

Blood evidence should tell us whether Ralph ended up in a chair behind the door. If that were the case then the police must have positioned his body with the head in the coal scuttle. In my opinion, there is no way he could have landed that way from the force of the door being opened. He was stiff with rigor mortis. That doesn't rule out that Shiela could have been in the kitchen but I'm starting to think she wasn't. Then again why did it become 'one male and one female', not just 'one male'.
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