The Role of DCI "Terry" Gibbons, at the scene - 7th August 1985...

[Hartley]

Well good for the seekerer outerer of the pointy hat brigade, a pleasant change of pace. The calm before the storm perhaps. 

[andrea]

do you think something is going to kick off hartley?

[Hartley]

do you think something is going to kick off hartley?

Well maybe not kick off as such, but the CCRC's deadline looms ever nearer and whatever the result I'm sure interest in the case will increase again, so this place will become busy again. Then the European Court ruling can't be to far away either.

[andrea]

yeah true, whatever the decision theres nothing anyone can do about it

[andrea]

yeah true, whatever the decision theres nothing anyone can do about it

except his legal team

[Hartley]

yeah true, whatever the decision theres nothing anyone can do about it

Nope not really, legal teams aside, the rest of us are all merely an interested but opinionated audience.

[andrea]

well, i try not to shove my opinion down anyones throat, i hope he gets a refferal though then we can shut the case once and for all. just want the truth like everyone else,i think a refferal will provide that

[Hartley]

well, i try not to shove my opinion down anyones throat, i hope he gets a refferal though then we can shut the case once and for all. just want the truth like everyone else,i think a refferal will provide that

Couldn't agree more. The fact that you don't force your opinions on people is what makes your posts worth reading.

Will have to say night night though, early start tomorrow, catch ya later.

[andrea]

ok nite nite, sleep well  im off to bed meself now.

[mike tesko]

The occupants of police patrol car CA07 were also responsible for passing messages from the scene, and so they must have been in cahoots with DCI Gibbons, and the other senior officers at the scene, regardimg the discovery of two dead bodies once police got into WHF...

[andrea]

mike how many pics or negatives have been handed over to the ccrc?

[mike tesko]

mike how many pics or negatives have been handed over to the ccrc?

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It was a few weeks ago that I last spoke to Jeremy about this, and he told me that the CCRC have got all the negatives, except for eight...

These eight were photographs which were taken around the time that PC Bird took pictures of Sheila in the bedroom at whf - Mr Sutherst has been able to identify which eight are missing because they have been cut out of a strip of negatives which focussed on Sheila's body at the scene. For some reason, EP and the CPS / DPP did not want Jeremy or his legal team to see any of these eight images, so they have either withheld them under pii rules, or destroyed them altogether...

I can also confirm that the CCRC have got a copy of the video taken at the scene, to which members of the raid team referred to during the de-brief which was held at Witham police station on the evening of 7th August 1985, which caused some of them (no less than three police officers) to question whether the body of Sheila, and the bible and the gun had been moved after they left the scene? Although some 26 years have elapsed, Jeremy nor his legal team have ever been given access to that video footage...

Should the CCRC make it available to them now?

[shonapugs]

God, that's scarey. What can be done, Mike?

[mike tesko]

God, that's scarey. What can be done, Mike?

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I think Jeremy's legal team can issue a writ in the high court to compel the CCRC, EP and the CPS / DPP to release the video, and the other 97 photographs / negatives which are also being withheld under pii rules...

The video taken at the scene is important evidence, especially since it was the viewing of this by members of the raid team which caused three of them to question whether or not the body of Sheila had been moved after they all left the scene on the morning of 7th August 1985?

It would put things into perspective, because members of th e raid team have said and are saying that they didn't move or touch the body of Sheila in the bedroom, and so are SOC (with the exception of DI Cook - who claims he moved Sheila's' hand on the gun so that PC Bird could photograph a bloodstain on the front lower part of Sheila's nightdress) - if none of these police officers touched or moved the body to any significant degree, then it begs the question who else did?

I should think it must be obvious that some other party not yet officially identified was present at the scene and that these people, or that person was responsible for stage managing Sheila's body in the bedroom, in time for PC Bird top take pictures showing her body in a changed position, and that these people, or that person was present at the scene before 10 O'clock, when PC Bird started to take his pictures?