The Role of DCI "Terry" Gibbons, at the scene - 7th August 1985...

[smiffy]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

[mike tesko]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

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I agree with your interpretation of these events, Smiffy...

[lucy70]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

Ok smiffy............JB said the line 'went dead', he didn't say that there was a dial tone which there would have been if someone had depressed the handset button at the other end. The fact that the phone was off the hook at WHF is part of JB's 'evidence' that such a phonecall took place; he thought that he would say the line went dead and that he tried to call back straight away but couldn't as the phone was off the hook when it's been proved that this would be impossible to do.
At the end of the day, I don't need to prove anything to you, he's a convicted murderer who's tried to wheedle his way out of paying for his crimes by using every trick in the book............it's you as a JB supporter who need to prove his innocence to people like me.
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds.
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

[clifford]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

Ok smiffy............JB said the line 'went dead', he didn't say that there was a dial tone which there would have been if someone had depressed the handset button at the other end. The fact that the phone was off the hook at WHF is part of JB's 'evidence' that such a phonecall took place; he thought that he would say the line went dead and that he tried to call back straight away but couldn't as the phone was off the hook when it's been proved that this would be impossible to do.
At the end of the day, I don't need to prove anything to you, he's a convicted murderer who's tried to wheedle his way out of paying for his crimes by using every trick in the book............it's you as a JB supporter who need to prove his innocence to people like me.
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds.
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

Lucy, what if the cradle of the phone had NOT been depressed. Would that not leave the line open

[mike tesko]

I took some advice on this matter in 2003 - it is correct to say that Jeremy did say that the line went dead, and that there was no engaged tone...

However, I was reliably informed that this type of phone (round finger dial model) was prone to faults where the plungers often got stuck in the down position, which effectively cut off any line of communication, without leaving so much as a dialing tone...

This type of fault could be brought about if the phone received a hard knock - resulting in the plunger becoming stuck in the down position. What is not clear, is if the plunger which was stuck in the down position could be freed by giving the phones cradle another hard knock or bang, and what the status would be to enable the operator to open up the line so that police at the incident room could eavesdrop?

What does become clear, however...

Is that Jeremy states that when he tried to call whf back, he got the engaged tone, a fact which was confirmed when the police also tried to establish contact with the farmhouse, and so one is left with the impression that somebody at whf could have simply depressed the cradle and held it down for several seconds without allowing it to spring back up into the open position...

This could have been done for a few seconds and then the hand that was holding the cradle down could have let go, and left the handset off its cradle. What is clear by studying all the facts relating to this matter, is that when the operator checked the line, she confirmed that the handset had simply been left off the hook - so that if anyone tried to make contact with the farmhouse, they would be met with the engaged tone...

The phone at whf was never an open line to another outside number...

[lucy70]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

Ok smiffy............JB said the line 'went dead', he didn't say that there was a dial tone which there would have been if someone had depressed the handset button at the other end. The fact that the phone was off the hook at WHF is part of JB's 'evidence' that such a phonecall took place; he thought that he would say the line went dead and that he tried to call back straight away but couldn't as the phone was off the hook when it's been proved that this would be impossible to do.
At the end of the day, I don't need to prove anything to you, he's a convicted murderer who's tried to wheedle his way out of paying for his crimes by using every trick in the book............it's you as a JB supporter who need to prove his innocence to people like me.
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds.
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

Lucy, what if the cradle of the phone had NOT been depressed. Would that not leave the line open

If the cradle hadn't been depressed at all (as in left off the hook) then there is no way that JB could have phoned out from his end for at least 90-120 seconds. He would not have been able to immediately press redial on his phone as JB said he did as the line would be open until it reset itself.

[clifford]

lucy70 posted;



One of my biggest problems with JB is the telephone call. He stated that he immediately attempted to phone Ralph back using the redial facility on his phone which would mean almost instantly after the line went dead. This has been proven to be impossible as it would have taken 90-120 seconds for the line to reset itself during which time he wouldn't have been able to phone out at all.

The reasoning is wrong.

If the line to Jeremy went dead..it indicates the call was ended at Ralphs end ...he was making the call...IE the button where the handset goes being depressed...either by replacing the handset or by fingers etc.
If lucy70 really finds this a problem to understand and thinks its some great evidence against JB then to me it reveals more a lack of intelligence or factual ignorance on lucy70's part.

Ok smiffy............JB said the line 'went dead', he didn't say that there was a dial tone which there would have been if someone had depressed the handset button at the other end. The fact that the phone was off the hook at WHF is part of JB's 'evidence' that such a phonecall took place; he thought that he would say the line went dead and that he tried to call back straight away but couldn't as the phone was off the hook when it's been proved that this would be impossible to do.
At the end of the day, I don't need to prove anything to you, he's a convicted murderer who's tried to wheedle his way out of paying for his crimes by using every trick in the book............it's you as a JB supporter who need to prove his innocence to people like me.
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds.
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

Lucy, what if the cradle of the phone had NOT been depressed. Would that not leave the line open

If the cradle hadn't been depressed at all (as in left off the hook) then there is no way that JB could have phoned out from his end for at least 90-120 seconds. He would not have been able to immediately press redial on his phone as JB said he did as the line would be open until it reset itself.

Yes he could, but he would,nt have been able to connect.

[smiffy]

The basics are...some action at Ralphs end caused the call to JB to end.
Silly  "if" nothing happened claims dont wash.. as if nothing happened then the line would have remained open.
Not sure on what effect the phone being disconnected at its junction box temporarily would have...would depend on what equipment was actually installed in the house.
In the photos of the phone its lead looks out of place as though it has been disturbed.

[Alias]

The basics are...some action at Ralphs end caused the call to JB to end.
Silly  "if" nothing happened claims dont wash.. as if nothing happened then the line would have remained open.
Not sure on what effect the phone being disconnected at its junction box temporarily would have...would depend on what equipment was actually installed in the house.
In the photos of the phone its lead looks out of place as though it has been disturbed.

Hadn´t the EP used this phone before this photo was taken?

[clifford]

The basics are...some action at Ralphs end caused the call to JB to end.
Silly  "if" nothing happened claims dont wash.. as if nothing happened then the line would have remained open.
Not sure on what effect the phone being disconnected at its junction box temporarily would have...would depend on what equipment was actually installed in the house.
In the photos of the phone its lead looks out of place as though it has been disturbed.

Hadn´t the EP used this phone before this photo was taken?

Might mean nothing, but the handset is to the left of the cradle. Who if anyone was left handed.

[smiffy]

lucy70 posted;
If the cradle hadn't been depressed at all (as in left off the hook) then there is no way that JB could have phoned out from his end for at least 90-120 seconds. He would not have been able to immediately press redial on his phone as JB said he did as the line would be open until it reset itself.

and what evidence do you have for making this claim as having took place at whf...lucy70.....?
exactly.......... none!


ah lucy70 posted;
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

oh ..well I have met numerous people who have degrees etc and are generally incompetent and substandard on many issues to an average person. Some even admitting that their degrees were obtained using fraudulent methods.  Qualifications does not equate to ability.

why should you worry lucy70...sounds a touch paranoid that you even mention it.


lucy70 posted;
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds

So here lucy70 sets the boundaries ....Restricting things to just the original trial but nothing else. This makes lucy70 appear to be a hypocrite in even partaking in this forum which is interested in going beyond the original trial. Trials are restrictive and biased in how they are conducted and an excess of control is given to the prosecution.   
sorry.... lucy70 but you have no monopoly on what evidence is allowed to be used or not and what arguments can be used or not.


Harris used the phone before the photographs of the phone were taken....you know the sort of thing...when police dare not risk using radio in case someone listens in to what they have to say and that info may be very sensitive. Cant think why...has any reason been given for this call being made to Simpson?
 
 

[Alias]

The basics are...some action at Ralphs end caused the call to JB to end.
Silly  "if" nothing happened claims dont wash.. as if nothing happened then the line would have remained open.
Not sure on what effect the phone being disconnected at its junction box temporarily would have...would depend on what equipment was actually installed in the house.
In the photos of the phone its lead looks out of place as though it has been disturbed.

Hadn´t the EP used this phone before this photo was taken?

Might mean nothing, but the handset is to the left of the cradle. Who if anyone was left handed.

I have no idea. But we really cannot put too much into how the handset is placed, since it must have been placed by EP after they used it.
If it is in the same position as when they entered the house, it is still hard to make anything of it. The person (presumably right handed) using it might have turned around and putting it on the table in/after that movement.

[clifford]

The basics are...some action at Ralphs end caused the call to JB to end.
Silly  "if" nothing happened claims dont wash.. as if nothing happened then the line would have remained open.
Not sure on what effect the phone being disconnected at its junction box temporarily would have...would depend on what equipment was actually installed in the house.
In the photos of the phone its lead looks out of place as though it has been disturbed.

Hadn´t the EP used this phone before this photo was taken?

Might mean nothing, but the handset is to the left of the cradle. Who if anyone was left handed.

I have no idea. But we really cannot put too much into how the handset is placed, since it must have been placed by EP after they used it.
If it is in the same position as when they entered the house, it is still hard to make anything of it. The person (presumably right handed) using it might have turned around and putting it on the teble in/after that movement.

Iwas suggesting that a right handed person would have placed the phone to right of the cradle, and visa versa ect

[lucy70]

lucy70 posted;
If the cradle hadn't been depressed at all (as in left off the hook) then there is no way that JB could have phoned out from his end for at least 90-120 seconds. He would not have been able to immediately press redial on his phone as JB said he did as the line would be open until it reset itself.

and what evidence do you have for making this claim as having took place at whf...lucy70.....?
exactly.......... none!


ah lucy70 posted;
As for a lack of intelligence...........until you have two degrees (criminal psychology and mental health nursing) or know how to use a simple spellchecker I don't think I have anything to worry about ;-)

oh ..well I have met numerous people who have degrees etc and are generally incompetent and substandard on many issues to an average person. Some even admitting that their degrees were obtained using fraudulent methods.  Qualifications does not equate to ability.

why should you worry lucy70...sounds a touch paranoid that you even mention it.


lucy70 posted;
If you're so positive of his innocence then post the whole trial transcript and let us make up our own minds

So here lucy70 sets the boundaries ....Restricting things to just the original trial but nothing else. This makes lucy70 appear to be a hypocrite in even partaking in this forum which is interested in going beyond the original trial. Trials are restrictive and biased in how they are conducted and an excess of control is given to the prosecution.   
sorry.... lucy70 but you have no monopoly on what evidence is allowed to be used or not and what arguments can be used or not.


Harris used the phone before the photographs of the phone were taken....you know the sort of thing...when police dare not risk using radio in case someone listens in to what they have to say and that info may be very sensitive. Cant think why...has any reason been given for this call being made to Simpson?

Funny smiffy............you're sounding more n more like Jackie everyday...............you also write in a similar tone, including similar insults! :-)
Let's be clear about your so called 'evidence'. There is not the slightest bit to prove that Ralph actually made any phonecalls that night.....it's just a story JB made up to cover his own backside and to start laying, 'Sheila's a murdering psycho' foundations.
I would like to see the original transcripts as this is where all of JB's statements and all of the police evidence was shown.
As for being a hypocrite.......am entitled to my opinion and don't insult (well maybe once!) anyone who doesn't agree with me. You appear to blindly accept everything you read on here without even thinking of the possibility that you're only ever getting one side of the actual evidence.

[smiffy]

lucy70...fact is the police did have access to itemised phone records...no good denying it.

If there was no phone call the police would have used it in evidence. The fact they did not use this in evidence is that it supported what JB claimed. To still attempt to convict and hide their cover up...they had to bury this evidence and claim wrongly that they did not have it.