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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 03:30:PM »
anybody could have got in the house if someone had let them in.

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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 03:41:PM »
Or explained how to get in by way of a downstairs window...

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2011, 03:45:PM »
Where by complete coincidence there just happened to be a fully loaded rifle and amunition....

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 03:45:PM »
yes but there relying on nobody closing the window.

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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2011, 03:55:PM »
Brilliant work Keira you should email Simon that timeline and I will put it on twitter later


Thanks, Jackie, however, the pregnancies and miscarriages are incorrect, I made a mess of these when I merged some data and badly need to sort these out. I'd hoped to have done this by now but some personal problems intervened.

The timeline needs tidying up and further information needs to be added too: Sheila's pregnancy by a farm hand of the Bambers at WHF and her subsequent abortion (at 15?), Sheila's illicit drug use, which may well have exacerbated her paranoid schizophrenia and Sheila's time among the 'Gorgeous Girls' of Mayfair for example.
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« Reply #50 on: December 01, 2011, 04:02:PM »
Where by complete coincidence there just happened to be a fully loaded rifle and amunition....

but they couldn't really on someone in the house not seeing the shotgun and moving it.
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« Reply #51 on: December 01, 2011, 04:04:PM »
Keira
Thanks I was just about to post on twitter and send to Simon but I will hold fire for a bit.

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« Reply #52 on: December 01, 2011, 06:34:PM »
Hi Nug Nug, that is again a good point, they could not rely on someone not moving the gun, you know what I really never thought of that, you are absolutely correct, my whole theory depends on that gun being where JB left it for the hitman to find......... damn....

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« Reply #53 on: December 02, 2011, 07:08:AM »
The external paintwork on the house was painted in July so it would all have a fresh appearance so any marks or scuffs would show up very easily...none found to indicate entry or exit. In addition newish paint is much softer and marks far more easily than older paint...so far more likely to become damaged by someone entering or exiting from a window...ie virtually impossible to do such acts without leaving a clear and obvious trail.

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« Reply #54 on: December 02, 2011, 11:57:AM »
However, with all respect to your views......and I do agree wholeheartedly with them.....if, and this is IF, this where a profesosinal job, involving Freemasons, then ANY signs of an intruder(s) would have been quickly covered up and removed......after all, the witnesses stating they saw someone running away from the house in the back field was NEVER followed up either.  It begs the question 'Why?'

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« Reply #55 on: December 03, 2011, 12:14:AM »
Is it possible that Sheila was expecting company that evening, perhaps that person arrived, was let in, her parents were in bed, one got up, an arguement ensued, the visitor left, and the arguement escalated into violence, then death.

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« Reply #56 on: December 03, 2011, 08:04:PM »
Is it possible that Sheila was expecting company that evening, perhaps that person arrived, was let in, her parents were in bed, one got up, an arguement ensued, the visitor left, and the arguement escalated into violence, then death.
I have often wondered if someone did call to the Farm House at some point after Jeremy left and was
let in by someone. (They could even have been already there when the 'phone-call came in and Ralph
sounded a bit terse to the lady-caller. It might have been the Farm Secretary, but I'm not sure, however I do recall that he did not want her bringing an item to the Farm that evening, which she had 'phoned up to offer to do.)
Also, Sheila spoke on the 'phone as did her Mother to a   relative who rang and thought Sheila sounded
odd as she did not say "goodbye Auntie" but simply handed the 'phone back to her Mother.
June said "Sheila has gone to bed".
So was this just made up to end the 'phone call as it was an inconvenient time as someone had called
over and they were in a discussion with the "person"?
I just don't think that the tensions in the house that night were necessarily just between Sheila and
her parents.
Jeremy only knew the vague nature of the conversation going on shortly before he went home that night.
All could have changed in the subsequent time.
Something WAS going on at White House Farm, but maybe another person, unknown, was involved.

Alternatively, someone did have another set of keys and let themselves in and out that night.
Keys can be copied.
Did the doors have bolts as well as locks on the inside? If the doors had bolts were they regularly used?

Can we be certain that not a single item was stolen from the Farm that night?

As for the "overkill" to the victims, apart from Sheila, that suggests someone very close or derranged.

The person seen running away from the rear? of the Farm House -- well I just cannot think why the Police did not apprehend them.
If you put that in film plot it would be rediculous. So is that really true - did the Police see a person leaving the Farm area and not stop them for questioning?
That person might have been the local poacher, etc, but they may have seen or heard vital things pertaining to who or what happened that night. :-\


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« Reply #57 on: December 03, 2011, 08:13:PM »
To be honest Summer this matter of a person seen running away that night bothers me, in Colins book it mentions running down a track, why that night and that time, i will be spending 4 days at Fulmer Convent starting the 19th of this month, i will try to come up with something . This person may have something to do with Sheila.

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« Reply #58 on: December 03, 2011, 08:19:PM »

Thank you mertol, it beggars belief doesn't it?

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« Reply #59 on: December 03, 2011, 08:36:PM »

Thank you mertol, it beggars belief doesn't it?
Without question Summer, there is so much that remains unanswered
and on that basis alone Jeremy deserves a fresh appeal,If that person seen running away is still around they may have seen something or have locked something away all this time they know.