could this have happened.

[chochokeira]

who ever they were they would have to know about sheilas illness.

Definitely - because to save arousing suspicion of it being anyone else she was 'the fall guy'.  She was meant to get the blame.....no matter what the outcome! 

But the family denied it could ever have been Sheila (and questions still remain unanswered really, how did sheila, at 7st, attack a 15st man the size of Ralph with all the meds she was on).  .....yes, the family  blamed JB for their own benefit.......but if it was not Sheila....and it was not JB...then who was it?

Susan Wright was a tiny slip of a woman when she murdered her much larger husband, she stabbed him 193 times before burying him under the patio.

[Aunt Agatha]

who ever they were they would have to know about sheilas illness.

Definitely - because to save arousing suspicion of it being anyone else she was 'the fall guy'.  She was meant to get the blame.....no matter what the outcome! 

But the family denied it could ever have been Sheila (and questions still remain unanswered really, how did sheila, at 7st, attack a 15st man the size of Ralph with all the meds she was on).  .....yes, the family  blamed JB for their own benefit.......but if it was not Sheila....and it was not JB...then who was it?

Susan Wright was a tiny slip of a woman when she murdered her much larger husband, she stabbed him 193 times before burying him under the patio.

Was she dosed up on meds at the time tho?

[nugnug]

i don't think she was takeing tablets i think she was on injections it would depend on how many megs the injection was.

[Aunt Agatha]

i don't think she was takeing tablets i think she was on injections it would depend on how many megs the injection was.

I can't remember exactly what it was she was on, however, I have read Mike's posts about the impact on what she was on.....all I can remember was, was that she was dosed up.  How dosed up, I can't recall.  However, it remains......she was dosed up!!

[chochokeira]

who ever they were they would have to know about sheilas illness.

The mother who murdered her five children by drowning each of them in the bath - one by one, poor little mites - she was schizophrenic and wasn't she suffering withdrawal symptoms from reduced medication, just as Sheila was?



Definitely - because to save arousing suspicion of it being anyone else she was 'the fall guy'.  She was meant to get the blame.....no matter what the outcome! 

But the family denied it could ever have been Sheila (and questions still remain unanswered really, how did sheila, at 7st, attack a 15st man the size of Ralph with all the meds she was on).  .....yes, the family  blamed JB for their own benefit.......but if it was not Sheila....and it was not JB...then who was it?

Susan Wright was a tiny slip of a woman when she murdered her much larger husband, she stabbed him 193 times before burying him under the patio.

Was she dosed up on meds at the time tho?

[chochokeira]

who ever they were they would have to know about sheilas illness.

The mother who murdered her five children by drowning each of them in the bath - one by one, poor little mites - she was schizophrenic and wasn't she suffering withdrawal symptoms from reduced medication, just as Sheila was?



Definitely - because to save arousing suspicion of it being anyone else she was 'the fall guy'.  She was meant to get the blame.....no matter what the outcome! 

But the family denied it could ever have been Sheila (and questions still remain unanswered really, how did sheila, at 7st, attack a 15st man the size of Ralph with all the meds she was on).  .....yes, the family  blamed JB for their own benefit.......but if it was not Sheila....and it was not JB...then who was it?

Susan Wright was a tiny slip of a woman when she murdered her much larger husband, she stabbed him 193 times before burying him under the patio.

Was she dosed up on meds at the time tho?

My timeline for Sheila will answer some of the recent questions about her:

A timeline of Sheila's life


1957            Sheila is rejected by her birth mother.
 
1957            Adopted by June and Nevill at a few months old.
 
1957            That photograph in which June's chilling, possessive smile and Nevill's
                    detachment from this seem to set the pattern for Sheila's life.
 
1957            June can't cope as a mother, is hospitalised with a breakdown
 
1957            Was Sheila placed in foster care - with a 'third mother'?
 
1957            June becomes a religious fanatic - a symptom of her illness - preaches
                    constantly. 'Her arms hanging down by her sides', June is a cold,
                    judgemental mother. She sets unattainable standards of conduct for her
                    children.  Is she setting them up to fail and to remain dependent?
 
1960s/70s   Unsurprisingly, Sheila becomes a disturbed child - she's expelled from two
                    schools.
 
1970s          Sheila fails at secretarial college - can't hold down work.
 
1970s          Sheila does a modelling course, yet fails to become model.
 
1974            Sheila, aged 17 begins seeing Colin, aged 21, a more worldly wise
                    Londoner.
 
1974            Colin takes those pornographic photos of 17 year old Sheila
 
1974            Sheila is rejected as the 'devil's child' by her adoptive mother, June.
 
1974            Aged 17 or 18, unmarried Sheila becomes pregnant.
 
1975            Aged 17 or 18, Sheila moves in with Colin - to get away from her family? -
                    she also becomes pregnant again.
.
1975            Sheila miscarries.
 
1977            Sheila & Colin are pressured and cajoled into a shotgun marriage, partly
                    with a sticky web of financial inducements - which come at a very high
                    price?
 
1978            Sheila has violent episodes - e.g. punches her hand through a window on
                    21st birthday - a signal of what's to come.

1978-80s     Sheila self harms - I've read in Shaw - evidence of this?
 
1977            Miscarriage 2
 
1978??         Miscarriage 3??
 
1979            The twins are born.
 
1979            Sheila and Colin's marriage breaks up, Sheila is left with 4-5 month old
                    twins. Colin takes a new partner.
 
1979            Sheila, unable to cope, is assigned a social worker and child minder.
 
1979-85       Sheila is so depressed and self obsessed that she rarely speaks to her
                    children. The twins have accidents due to this - Nicholas's fall from taxi
 
1981            Sheila begins to see Freddie - dependent on him for money and support,
                    yet she cuts him dead at other times. Sheila still loves only Colin.
 
1981           "Sheila had a very quick and violent temper...[she'd] lose over the
                    simplest of things" (Freddie's statement)
 
1982            Sheila and Colin divorce - Colin has joint custody of twins.
 
1982            Sheila is moved to Moors Head Mansions flat by her parents - an expensive
                    liability Sheila cannot afford - another thread in the sticky web of
                    dependency and control.
 
1979            Sheila lives on benefits plus parental financial support.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is left financially dependent on her manipulative parents: an
                    expensive flat, expensive private mental health care and loan support. 
                    Do these killing kindnesses keep Sheila immature and in child like
                    dependence on June and Nevill?
 
                    Yet Sheila still has the apparent freedom of living in London.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is unable to find a proper new partner and happiness as Colin
                    has done.
 

1983            Nicholas is hospitalised after falling from a taxi because Sheila was too self
                    obsessed to notice.
 
1983            Sheila has her first breakdown, is hospitalised for 3 months
                    (threatens suicide?).  As Freddie stated: this 'breakdown was coming on
                    for some time,  Nicholas's accident was last straw'.
 
1983            June and Nevill are so ashamed of Sheila's illness and its implications for
                    their social standing that they're determined to conceal it. They even
                    conceal it from family.
 
                    Does the veil of secrecy thrown across Sheila's mental illness by her
                    parents intermesh with the Bamber's sticky web of control?
 
1983-85       Sheila becomes a religious fanatic obsessed with the devil, just like
                    June.   

                    Perhaps Sheila wasn't wrong in feeling herself possessed, but merely chose
                    the wrong culprit?     

1985 Mch?   Freddie's statement: Sheila has a psychotic episode and becomes
                     'like someone possessed'. She's violent, abusive, punches walls and
                    herself. Freddie is terrified for the safety of everyone in the flat.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila has another breakdown - she believes she, the twins and
                    family are possessed by the devil, that the twins are capable of raping
                    and harming her, that exorcism alone could stop this.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila is diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and is prescribed the
                    antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.
 
1985            Sheila meets her birth mother for the first time - a very positive experience
 
1985 Mch-Aug   Care and custody of twins is removed from Sheila 95% of the time
 
1985 July     Sheila's Haloperidol is reduced by 50% - dangerously at odds with
                    guidance that the drug should not be reduced by more than 10% at
                    one time and the results monitored prior to any further reduction.
 
1985 Aug 1?  Sheila shows the effects of Haloperidol withdrawal. the Nurse's
                     statement: Sheila looks unkempt and disturbed at a party, behaves
                     oddly -  it's clear she's schizophrenic and obsessed with Colin.
 
1985 Aug 2?  Sheila appears at 2nd party looking stunning, except for her wild,
                     staring eyes. Ignores twins, unable to help, all she seems interested in
                     is getting Colin's attention.                   
 
1985 Aug 4   Colin takes Sheila to WHF, on the way he rejects her final attempt
                     to reconcile with him and her children
 
1985 Aug 6   June and Nevill, seeing the effects of Sheila's Haloperidol withdrawal
                     and her worsening mental health, tell Sheila they want Sheila and the
                     boys to move near them and the boys fostered there, so that they can
                     provide support.

                     Sheila's flat and lifestyle is paid for by her parents, she is in a hopelessly
                     weak position to refuse to comply.

                     A move near her parents would mean:

                     Living near her manipulative mother
                     Her twins coming under June's control and influence
                     Complete loss of her autonomy and freedom
                     A total change of her lifestyle
                     Sheila recalls only too well how controlled life is with June nearby
                     A return to the misery of her childhood
                     Worst of all: it would mean moving away from London and Colin
                     Yet Colin's totally rejected her
                     What is she to do?

1985 Aug 6   Already suffering the destabilising effects of Haliperidol withdrawal,
                     Sheila's panic stricken response to this demand places her under
                     intolerable stress.  She first objects, then does what her parents do:
                     conceals her fears and withdraws into herself. Barely replying to her
                     aunt on the phone. Sheila goes to her room. There, gripped by panic
                     attacks, her mind fragments,
                                     
                     Following hours of increasingly deranged panics, poor Sheila has
                     the severest psychotic hallucinations she has ever had, similar to
                     those that Freddie described, yet worse:

                     Sheila no longer recognises her family. Her voices tell her that they're
                     all devils and that she must save the boys and herself by carrying out the
                     exorcism herself?

[campion]

IT IS 1.12AM on 1- 12 -11. I had written down my alternative account of the tragedy at the start of the thread. It may seem far fetched, but it mirrors Humphrey's ingenios solution to some extent. It starts after JB has gone home, when auntie Pam, not before time, on aprompt from her spouse, telephones her sister, and surprise, surprise Sheila, her favorite little cuckoo, and the twins are on their hols. Later on, well after Sheila and June had said God BLESS ... and choosing 3 names from the sheet of capital letters,.as the twins were tucked up in bed, thy too went to bed. In the night Crispy was disturbed and started yapping. Bruce, Ralph's Labrador, may have been barking in the back kitchen. Ralph gets his shotgun, from under the bed, and probably goes down the back stairs. He opens the ohtside door and is jumped by masked raiders. They thrust him into the main kitchen winging him and beatig him up with shotgun. One otwo of the gang go up to deal with the rest of the family. The one covering Ralph, tortures him with the bootscraper or old thatching comb or similar, to make him phone Jeremy. Two if assume there are three of them, vamoose. The other one having disposed of Ralph, phones Witham P.S. The plan being to  dispose of Jeremy and the police would find JB dead on arrival. By phoning the Chelmsford P.S. Jeremy put the plan out of kilter. During the time he was holdig on for the Police to answer, and then phoning Muggie, JBmissed his date with his maker, and set in motion the most   intriguing and intricate mystery since JTR. What happened to Bruce and the backdoor keys, was Sheila transferred upstairs in a rolled up carpet, was there combined drugs operation  on  on that particular night in the vicinity. So many things to ponder on. I apologise for typing and lack of question marks there would bealot if I could find the right KEY, AND SO TO BED.

[mike tesko]

who ever they were they would have to know about sheilas illness.

The mother who murdered her five children by drowning each of them in the bath - one by one, poor little mites - she was schizophrenic and wasn't she suffering withdrawal symptoms from reduced medication, just as Sheila was?



Definitely - because to save arousing suspicion of it being anyone else she was 'the fall guy'.  She was meant to get the blame.....no matter what the outcome! 

But the family denied it could ever have been Sheila (and questions still remain unanswered really, how did sheila, at 7st, attack a 15st man the size of Ralph with all the meds she was on).  .....yes, the family  blamed JB for their own benefit.......but if it was not Sheila....and it was not JB...then who was it?

Susan Wright was a tiny slip of a woman when she murdered her much larger husband, she stabbed him 193 times before burying him under the patio.

Was she dosed up on meds at the time tho?

My timeline for Sheila will answer some of the recent questions about her:

A timeline of Sheila's life


1957            Sheila is rejected by her birth mother.
 
1957            Adopted by June and Nevill at a few months old.
 
1957            That photograph in which June's chilling, possessive smile and Nevill's
                    detachment from this seem to set the pattern for Sheila's life.
 
1957            June can't cope as a mother, is hospitalised with a breakdown
 
1957            Was Sheila placed in foster care - with a 'third mother'?
 
1957            June becomes a religious fanatic - a symptom of her illness - preaches
                    constantly. 'Her arms hanging down by her sides', June is a cold,
                    judgemental mother. She sets unattainable standards of conduct for her
                    children.  Is she setting them up to fail and to remain dependent?
 
1960s/70s   Unsurprisingly, Sheila becomes a disturbed child - she's expelled from two
                    schools.
 
1970s          Sheila fails at secretarial college - can't hold down work.
 
1970s          Sheila does a modelling course, yet fails to become model.
 
1974            Sheila, aged 17 begins seeing Colin, aged 21, a more worldly wise
                    Londoner.
 
1974            Colin takes those pornographic photos of 17 year old Sheila
 
1974            Sheila is rejected as the 'devil's child' by her adoptive mother, June.
 
1974            Aged 17 or 18, unmarried Sheila becomes pregnant.
 
1975            Aged 17 or 18, Sheila moves in with Colin - to get away from her family? -
                    she also becomes pregnant again.
.
1975            Sheila miscarries.
 
1977            Sheila & Colin are pressured and cajoled into a shotgun marriage, partly
                    with a sticky web of financial inducements - which come at a very high
                    price?
 
1978            Sheila has violent episodes - e.g. punches her hand through a window on
                    21st birthday - a signal of what's to come.

1978-80s     Sheila self harms - I've read in Shaw - evidence of this?
 
1977            Miscarriage 2
 
1978??         Miscarriage 3??
 
1979            The twins are born.
 
1979            Sheila and Colin's marriage breaks up, Sheila is left with 4-5 month old
                    twins. Colin takes a new partner.
 
1979            Sheila, unable to cope, is assigned a social worker and child minder.
 
1979-85       Sheila is so depressed and self obsessed that she rarely speaks to her
                    children. The twins have accidents due to this - Nicholas's fall from taxi
 
1981            Sheila begins to see Freddie - dependent on him for money and support,
                    yet she cuts him dead at other times. Sheila still loves only Colin.
 
1981           "Sheila had a very quick and violent temper...[she'd] lose over the
                    simplest of things" (Freddie's statement)
 
1982            Sheila and Colin divorce - Colin has joint custody of twins.
 
1982            Sheila is moved to Moors Head Mansions flat by her parents - an expensive
                    liability Sheila cannot afford - another thread in the sticky web of
                    dependency and control.
 
1979            Sheila lives on benefits plus parental financial support.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is left financially dependent on her manipulative parents: an
                    expensive flat, expensive private mental health care and loan support. 
                    Do these killing kindnesses keep Sheila immature and in child like
                    dependence on June and Nevill?
 
                    Yet Sheila still has the apparent freedom of living in London.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is unable to find a proper new partner and happiness as Colin
                    has done.
 

1983            Nicholas is hospitalised after falling from a taxi because Sheila was too self
                    obsessed to notice.
 
1983            Sheila has her first breakdown, is hospitalised for 3 months
                    (threatens suicide?).  As Freddie stated: this 'breakdown was coming on
                    for some time,  Nicholas's accident was last straw'.
 
1983            June and Nevill are so ashamed of Sheila's illness and its implications for
                    their social standing that they're determined to conceal it. They even
                    conceal it from family.
 
                    Does the veil of secrecy thrown across Sheila's mental illness by her
                    parents intermesh with the Bamber's sticky web of control?
 
1983-85       Sheila becomes a religious fanatic obsessed with the devil, just like
                    June.   

                    Perhaps Sheila wasn't wrong in feeling herself possessed, but merely chose
                    the wrong culprit?     

1985 Mch?   Freddie's statement: Sheila has a psychotic episode and becomes
                     'like someone possessed'. She's violent, abusive, punches walls and
                    herself. Freddie is terrified for the safety of everyone in the flat.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila has another breakdown - she believes she, the twins and
                    family are possessed by the devil, that the twins are capable of raping
                    and harming her, that exorcism alone could stop this.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila is diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and is prescribed the
                    antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.
 
1985            Sheila meets her birth mother for the first time - a very positive experience
 
1985 Mch-Aug   Care and custody of twins is removed from Sheila 95% of the time
 
1985 July     Sheila's Haloperidol is reduced by 50% - dangerously at odds with
                    guidance that the drug should not be reduced by more than 10% at
                    one time and the results monitored prior to any further reduction.
 
1985 Aug 1?  Sheila shows the effects of Haloperidol withdrawal. the Nurse's
                     statement: Sheila looks unkempt and disturbed at a party, behaves
                     oddly -  it's clear she's schizophrenic and obsessed with Colin.
 
1985 Aug 2?  Sheila appears at 2nd party looking stunning, except for her wild,
                     staring eyes. Ignores twins, unable to help, all she seems interested in
                     is getting Colin's attention.                   
 
1985 Aug 4   Colin takes Sheila to WHF, on the way he rejects her final attempt
                     to reconcile with him and her children
 
1985 Aug 6   June and Nevill, seeing the effects of Sheila's Haloperidol withdrawal
                     and her worsening mental health, tell Sheila they want Sheila and the
                     boys to move near them and the boys fostered there, so that they can
                     provide support.

                     Sheila's flat and lifestyle is paid for by her parents, she is in a hopelessly
                     weak position to refuse to comply.

                     A move near her parents would mean:

                     Living near her manipulative mother
                     Her twins coming under June's control and influence
                     Complete loss of her autonomy and freedom
                     A total change of her lifestyle
                     Sheila recalls only too well how controlled life is with June nearby
                     A return to the misery of her childhood
                     Worst of all: it would mean moving away from London and Colin
                     Yet Colin's totally rejected her
                     What is she to do?

1985 Aug 6   Already suffering the destabilising effects of Haliperidol withdrawal,
                     Sheila's panic stricken response to this demand places her under
                     intolerable stress.  She first objects, then does what her parents do:
                     conceals her fears and withdraws into herself. Barely replying to her
                     aunt on the phone. Sheila goes to her room. There, gripped by panic
                     attacks, her mind fragments,
                                     
                     Following hours of increasingly deranged panics, poor Sheila has
                     the severest psychotic hallucinations she has ever had, similar to
                     those that Freddie described, yet worse:

                     Sheila no longer recognises her family. Her voices tell her that they're
                     all devils and that she must save the boys and herself by carrying out the
                     exorcism herself?

6th August - Celebration (THE )...

(1) - http://www.theologic.com/oflweb/feasts/08-06.htm

[smiffy]

Gosh  ...all these gang of hitmen spy theories...brilliant....NOT.

As MI 5 or MI 6 work in mysterious ways and absolutely anything at all, miracles included, is down to them they become GOD like. Any little probs in evidence is able to be passed off with extreme reasoning etc......
SARCASM.
A great plan is executed...Obviously  such super pro organisations are able to predict confidently that Ralph would open the door etc etc...such super professionals they leave no trace ...or any they do is not revealed by the controlled EP ...etc etc etc.

Trouble is it requires a GOD type belief to go along with it...and I dont buy it.
It seems these cop out type simplistic scenarios operate through paranoia and an inability to properly address evidence. ie Ruling out Sheila as the killer of the other 4 with no evidence other than blind belief and ignorance.

Documentation proves Sheila was not "dosed up", in fact she was under prescribed so was liable to kick off.
Screwed up reasoning...ie Sheila was not mad enough to kill the other 4 but was mad enough to shoot herself is a pill that is too hard to swallow.

Before anyone can really sell a hitman theory they need to explain away to a decent standard why Sheila could not be the killer of the other 4 and everyone who has tried that so far has failed to post anything like a convincing argument.

Sheila never would need to OVERPOWER Ralph to be the killer. Such a reason to dismiss her as the killer is not founded as quite simply once she had a loaded rifle she could order and control her victim..
for example...a compliant Ralph, with rifle pointed at him, would go down on his hands and knees like a dog if ordered to do so by Sheila.

[jackiepreece]

Brilliant work Keira you should email Simon that timeline and I will put it on twitter later

[ngb1066]

Brilliant work Keira you should email Simon that timeline and I will put it on twitter later

I agree that is a very good piece of work by Keira, and presents a credible scenario in a detailed context. 

[boheme]

I still go with the 3rd party killer but I believe that JB was involved, he left a loaded gun in the kitchen, the telephones were disconnected from Ralf's bedroom, he knew how to get in the house without it being open, he phoned JM to say all was going well....and when he was interviewed as a suspect he could not remember if he called her first or the Police........ Maybe there was a drug link and JB thought he could pay off his debts with his inheritance - I cant buy the theory that Sheila shot herself in the kitchen and then moved upstairs where she was accidentally shot by a Police officer after being pronounced dead by a doctor.... That to me is just too far fetched - it was an execution and Mugford told it as JB told it to her - end of.... in my opinion !

[nugnug]

he would be a bit stupid to phone the police while this hitman was still in the building.

[smiffy]

I still go with the 3rd party killer but I believe that JB was involved, he left a loaded gun in the kitchen, the telephones were disconnected from Ralf's bedroom, he knew how to get in the house without it being open, he phoned JM to say all was going well....and when he was interviewed as a suspect he could not remember if he called her first or the Police........ Maybe there was a drug link and JB thought he could pay off his debts with his inheritance - I cant buy the theory that Sheila shot herself in the kitchen and then moved upstairs where she was accidentally shot by a Police officer after being pronounced dead by a doctor.... That to me is just too far fetched - it was an execution and Mugford told it as JB told it to her - end of.... in my opinion !

Gosh a super hitman theory....not a speck or mark on how he gained entry nor a trace or speck of his movements inside...brilliant. So it must be McDonald then as thats what MUGFORD claimed in her fantasy... so as far as the law goes can we  call MUGFORD an unconvicted murderer as she supplied pills knowing they were intended for use in murder though eventually not used? ...hmmm and that she lied about a single bullet wound to Sheila's throat ? hmmm...and rather than throw her in prison she gets rewarded with cash etc...!

nah I dont buy that pile of poop...
I will instead use what evidence there is and work from that rather than fantasise away creating non existent evidence to base wild theories on.

2 words matter with evidence...credibility and reliability and these crazy hitman theories seem to have a serious lack of either.

[boheme]

That is a good point - maybe it took longer to arrange the bodies to look like 4 murders and a suicide than they planned, it is clear that someone was moving around once they arrived - I do not buy the moon reflected in the glass as described by Bews, you can see he is lying.... was this a male or female ? and who was the guy seen leaving the scene ? Also why did Ralf have a panic button installed - he must have known he was in danger (and surely not from Sheila....) - was this all linked to him growing opium or being a magistrate - or was it JB ?