DRH 24 small piece of wood.

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The trial transcript in regards to Hammersley makes mention of DRH 24 a small piece of wood which was allegedly found on the kitchen floor in front of the fire (aga?).

Hammersley claims this was not part of the gun butt ...so is this pictured.
Is it the piece of wood that appears in photographs on this forum near to the cushions that had been placed on the floor by the police (though they claim otherwise)?

So that being correct...it was not part of the gun butt....then what did that piece of wood come from. It certainly does not tie up with being part of the aga surround or shelf. It must have come from somewhere...broken off something maybe...but what?

Ideas on this piece of wood;
Woodcock in his statement claims the kitchen table had been overturned ...so feasibly it was overturned and in doing so it became damaged and this piece of wood broke off from it.

A bit of a chair that broke off in the incident.

A bit of wood broken off from inside the cupboard that is next to the aga..so thus it was not seen..this cupboard had been used at some time to store ammunition and maybe other firearms items.

A bit of the door the police battered open and it got walked into the kitchen?

something else..possibly walked in?

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The trial transcript in regards to Hammersley makes mention of DRH 24 a small piece of wood which was allegedly found on the kitchen floor in front of the fire (aga?).

Hammersley claims this was not part of the gun butt ...so is this pictured.
Is it the piece of wood that appears in photographs on this forum near to the cushions that had been placed on the floor by the police (though they claim otherwise)?

So that being correct...it was not part of the gun butt....then what did that piece of wood come from. It certainly does not tie up with being part of the aga surround or shelf. It must have come from somewhere...broken off something maybe...but what?

Ideas on this piece of wood;
Woodcock in his statement claims the kitchen table had been overturned ...so feasibly it was overturned and in doing so it became damaged and this piece of wood broke off from it.

A bit of a chair that broke off in the incident.

A bit of wood broken off from inside the cupboard that is next to the aga..so thus it was not seen..this cupboard had been used at some time to store ammunition and maybe other firearms items.

A bit of the door the police battered open and it got walked into the kitchen?

something else..possibly walked in?

A shard of wood found in an old house could have come from anywhere.

A cupboard built into the brickwork in my lounge has an ancient wooden cupboard door which has more holes than wood. We daren't use the cupboard as pieces are likely to break off of the door if we do.

The door of the cupboard where I store my linen performs the interesting trick of periodically coming away from the wall and losing pieces in the process.

The bricks my cottage is constructed from are so old and soft that sometimes when I open my side gate the whole structure comes away in my hands and falls to the ground, a few shards have broken off when that's happened.

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In regards to the table being a possible source of this piece of wood..
Woodcock says the table was upended or overturned or similar. Delgado tells us some stools were moved to "near" the table. Delgado gives no more than that away.
The other firearms team statements that do appear on here to date make no reference to the table at all .
Often when there is deception ..things will not be seen in statements as people do not want to draw attention to the focus of the deception.
So going by the statements alone...with no statement available contradicting Woodcock's claim then it falls to be accepted that the table was overturned.

One notices as well that the piece of wood appears to be of the right dimensions to have been a piece broken off from the table. It is noted that it appears to have 2 straight edges and these appear to form a 90 degree angle.

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Another thing to consider...as we have no pictures of Pargetters rifle...could the piece of wood be from the butt of his rifle?
Davidson in his COLP interview made mention of gun found downstairs that looked like it had taken a knock.

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been looking at pictures of BRNO .22 bolt action rifles on the internet.
It seems they have a lot of wood on them...far more than the Bamber rifle.
Plenty of wood on them that could break off if someone was attacked with one.

was pargetter's Brno .22 rifle the model 2?  anyone know?...if so there are lots of pictures of them on the net...
seems to fit the bill .....

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Here is that piece of wood. A higher quality image may help more.

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here is a bit of a brno .22 rifle..

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It doesn't look if that piece of wood could have come from that gun.

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That was just an example gun....note the large amount of woodwork on it...I have obtained a source of a lot of pictures of a brno .22 rifle being dismantled...it is quite conceivable that the piece of wood could indeed have come from such a rifle. I will look hard and try and figure if that piece of wood will fit with any specific bit of a brno .22 rifle.

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DRH/24 .this piece of wood photographed at the scene ...presumably on the morning of the 7th august 1985...Blood on floor still being wet and reflective confirms this pictures time.

Looking carefully at the wood at the corner which is essentially at a 90 degree angle there is seen a little spur of wood branching off around this part. It is not a shadow or trick of the light. This piece of wood seems to have a varnished type finish.

This little spur of wood would rule out the piece of wood as having been broken off any of the table top edges in my view.

In court this piece of wood was barely spoken of and no photograph was referred to so one can assume the photograph it appears on was not part of the bundle of 50 used in court. This piece of wood could well be a significant clue to the truth about what happened and should not be dismissed as EP claim it has no or little evidential value. As there was some violence between Ralph and his attacker, Ralph seemingly on the receiving end and this was in close proximity to this violence it seems to be significant to me.

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As photographed the fracture face appears to be the lighter part of this piece of wood .
The edges appear to show its edges are varnished or similar and that thus the main face out of view could well be varnished.

It is noted that rifles will normally have all wood surfaces varnished wether internal or external face as they are meant for outdoor used and will be exposed to moisture.

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32. Reconnaissance of the farmhouse revealed all the doors to be shut, as were the windows save for one in the main bedroom on the first floor. At about 7.30 a.m., the decision was made to enter the farmhouse and not long afterwards officers moved into place. Through the kitchen window, an officer observed the body of what appeared to be a woman but was in fact Mr. Bamber. Entry was then forced through the rear door which had been locked from the inside.

The discovery of the bodies and the scene within the house 33. In the kitchen the police found Nevill Bamber's body slumped forward over an overturned chair next to the hearth, so that his head was just above a coal scuttle. The police evidence was that there were other chairs and stools upturned and broken crockery, sugar and what appeared to be spots of blood on the floor. A ceiling light lampshade had also been broken. It will be necessary to address further these matter later but on the evidence available at trial, it appeared as though a violent struggle had taken place. On one of the surfaces there was a telephone with the receiver off the cradle. A quantity of .22 shells was beside it.

34. Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle on the floor.

http://www.homepage-link.to/JUSTICE/judgements/Bamber/index.html

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Examination of the rifle 69. The rifle was a German made Anschutz model 525 .22 self-loading rifle in good working order. Cartridges are loaded into a magazine, which has a capacity of 10. It is, as the jury found when they conducted the exercise themselves, progressively harder to load as the number of cartridges increases. Loading the tenth is exceptionally hard. Assuming a full capacity at the commencement of the shooting at the farm, the discharge of the rifle twenty-five times would require it to be re-loaded a minimum of two more times.

70. The stock was damaged, with a piece of wood missing. The broken piece of wood found on the floor in the kitchen was the missing part of the stock.

71. The rifle bore blood smearing on the barrel in the region of the fore-sight and around the mechanism and there were splashes of blood to the left side of the weapon. The appearance of the blood staining was consistent with it having been used to strike somebody who was already bleeding. On analysis the blood was found to be human blood but tests to determine grouping were unsuccessful. A "pull-through" on the barrel of the rifle was conducted for any traces of blood within the weapon. There were none.

72. The weapon was also examined for fingerprints. A print from the appellant's right forefinger was found on the breech end of the barrel, above the stock and pointing across the gun and Sheila Caffell's right ring fingerprint was found on the right side of the butt, pointing downwards. There were three further finger marks on the rifle, each of insufficient detail for identification purposes.

http://www.homepage-link.to/JUSTICE/judgements/Bamber/index.html

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32. Reconnaissance of the farmhouse revealed all the doors to be shut, as were the windows save for one in the main bedroom on the first floor. At about 7.30 a.m., the decision was made to enter the farmhouse and not long afterwards officers moved into place. Through the kitchen window, an officer observed the body of what appeared to be a woman but was in fact Mr. Bamber. Entry was then forced through the rear door which had been locked from the inside.

The discovery of the bodies and the scene within the house 33. In the kitchen the police found Nevill Bamber's body slumped forward over an overturned chair next to the hearth, so that his head was just above a coal scuttle. The police evidence was that there were other chairs and stools upturned and broken crockery, sugar and what appeared to be spots of blood on the floor. A ceiling light lampshade had also been broken. It will be necessary to address further these matter later but on the evidence available at trial, it appeared as though a violent struggle had taken place. On one of the surfaces there was a telephone with the receiver off the cradle. A quantity of .22 shells was beside it.

34. Subsequent searches of this room revealed Nevill Bamber's blood stained wristwatch under a rug and a piece of broken butt from the rifle on the floor.

http://www.homepage-link.to/JUSTICE/judgements/Bamber/index.html

The watch and a bullet case DRH/20 were both supposed to be under the mat by the sink...not to be confused with the mat under the table or the other mat alongside the aga.

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DRH/21 was the piece of rifle butt

DRH/24 is supposed to be an unidentified piece of wood.