you should all know this?

[Hartley]

Or at least that's what you have said in the past, I'm not sure I've seen another reference to it.

Oh...

And why did police take two silencers belonging to Robert Boutflour, and David Boutflour to the trial by motor cycle outrider, if there was only the one silencer?

[mike tesko]

Or at least that's what you have said in the past, I'm not sure I've seen another reference to it.

Oh...

And why did police take two silencers belonging to Robert Boutflour, and David Boutflour to the trial by motor cycle outrider, if there was only the one silencer?

If the two silencers belonging to the relatives were taken by a motor cycle outrider to the court which was trying Jeremy, and that was the very first occasion police had possession of them, then of course neither could have been the silencer which got sent to the lab' on 30th August 1985, or the other one which Ann Eaton handed over to the police on 11th September 1985, which in turn did not get sent to the lab' to be examined until 20th September 1985...

There was a silencer at the lab' from 30th August 1985, and another silencer which found its way into police possession on 11th September 1985, which did not get sent to the lab' until 20th September 1985, and the other two silencers belonging to the relatives which got brought to court by a police motorcycle outrider - so there was more than just the one silencer..

Furthermore, on 9th August 1985, DCI "Taff" Jones, and DS "Stan" Jones, went to see Jeremy at his cottage, 9 Head Street, Goldhanger, about the silencer being on the gun, so how did the police know about the silencer on 9th August 1985, the day before Boutflour supposedly found it in the gun cupboard, which he forgot to tell the police about for a whole month, until 11th September 1985 at which point he then decides to ring up the police and tell them on that day that he has found a silencer in the gun cupboard at whf, a month previously?

How could police have known about the silencer the day before Boutflour found it on 10th August 1985?

Surely...

They must have already had possession of one from the scene marked SBJ/1 (The silencer which got sent to the lab' on 13th August 1985, which provisionally got examined by Glynis howard)?

[Hartley]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

[mike tesko]

Lets look now, at the method with which DS Jones, introduces the silencer as the one found by Boutflour on 10th August 1985? It involves, Peter Eaton, PI "Bob" Miller, DI Cook, and himslef...

DS Jones, supposedly collects the silencer Boutflour found from Peter Eaton on evening of 12th August 1985, he takes it away with him and shows it to PI "Bob" Miller the following morning, who instructs him to hand to DI Cook, for onward delivery to the lab' on 13th August 1985...

Now, since Peter Eaton was not present at whf when the silencer was allegedly found in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985, what is he doing handing it over to DS Jones? Secondly, let us not forget that PI "Bob" Miller, was the officer who was making everybody alter and change exhibit references in their statements, including references to a silencer, from SBJ/1, to DB/1 and in turn to DRB/1...

Cook, well he dismantled a silencer on 29th August 1985, rebuolt it, and no flake of blood was found inside that silencer when he dismantled and rebuilt it, so where did the flake of blood come from which the ballistic exopert, MDF found once Cook had sent the rebuilt silencer to the lab' on 30th August 1985?

All of these characters are dodgy and they all give dodgy evidence...

[mike tesko]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Well then, this creates an even bigger mystery, because how then did police still have a silencer in their possession after 30th August 1985, to enable them to be able to send it to the lab' on 20th September 1985, to be checked for blood and fibres from a tampon?

So...

Somebodies not telling the truth about this other silencer - I wonder who that could be?

[mike tesko]

Lets return to the subject of DS "Stan" the man Jones pocketbook entries, which were eventually written up in a pocketbook which had been issued to him six months previously?

[mike tesko]

On the front cover of this pocketbook, is the official Essex police date stamp, 5th November 1984...

Yet the first entries contained inside its covers is dated 5th April 1985:-

[Hartley]

Now, since Peter Eaton was not present at whf when the silencer was allegedly found in the gun cupboard on 10th August 1985, what is he doing handing it over to DS Jones?

That's not really suspicious at all is it, considering he lives (lived) there and that's where the took the silencer.

[Hartley]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Well then, this creates an even bigger mystery, because how then did police still have a silencer in their possession after 30th August 1985, to enable them to be able to send it to the lab' on 20th September 1985, to be checked for blood and fibres from a tampon?

So...

Somebodies not telling the truth about this other silencer - I wonder who that could be?

Could the answer be in the word 'resubmitted'?

[jon]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

[mike tesko]

You would think that once any senior or supervisory officer who would come along at a later date, would notice this rather significant discrepancy, and discipline Ds Jones, for not keeping up to date notes in a current pocketbook?

Lets have a look to see if any senior or supervisory officers checked the notes contained in DS Jones pocketbook?

(1) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 2
(2) Examined by supervisory officer, on 23rd April 1985, and stamped
(3) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 7
(4) Examined by supervisory officer, and stamped, page 15
(5) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 24
(6) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 25
(7) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 30
(8) Examined by supervisory officer, and stamped, page 32
(9) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 42
(10) Examined by PI "Bob" MILLER, page 64
(11) Examined by supervisory officer, on 27th January 1986
(12) Examined by supervisory officer, and stamped, page 94
(13) Examined by supervisory officer, (DCI), and stamped, page 100

[Hartley]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

Yes Oakey made a statement on 25th October 1985 which described the collection of the scope, unfortunately I don't think it is on the forum.

[jon]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

Yes Oakey made a statement on 25th October 1985 which described the collection of the scope, unfortunately I don't think it is on the forum.

Have you read this yourself ?

[mike tesko]

So...

What we have is PI "Bob" MILLER, instructing everybody to make alterations to exhibit references to many exhibits in the investigation, including the silencer, and he is the supervisory officer who is doing most of the checking of DS Jones re-written pocketbook entries, in a pocketbook that was issued to him some six months before he made the first entry inside it?

[Hartley]

I have also been told that Oakey collected the scope from Ann on the 11th September, not the silencer.

Is this mentioned in any statement's ?

Yes Oakey made a statement on 25th October 1985 which described the collection of the scope, unfortunately I don't think it is on the forum.

Have you read this yourself ?

Yes I have, it mentions the collection of the Nikkon scope and various boxes of ammunition including the Eley .22 hollowpoint and Raker shotgun cartridges, it also mentions a spot of blood on one of the boxes.