you should all know this?

[andrea]

This is what i dont "get", these dynamite pictures, and they are dynamite if they exist, would get jb an appeal, without a doubt, but they remain unseen and hidden. So until they are brought out into the open and handed to the relevant people they are worthless.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Thanks Andrea. I might be looking at it too simplistically since I have not read the preceding 117 pages but some how I don't think I need to. Mike says he saw a picture years ago of Sheila on the bed. That alone, never mind how many bullet holes, would have blown the conviction apart, if Mike had come forward and had proof. So why didn't he? Again now, pictures of Sheila on the bed with one, two or even ten bullets holes would, if they existed, prove Jeremy's innocence. Not because of how many times she had been shot but the mere fact that SHEILA HAD BEEN PHOTOGRAPHED ON THE BED!! Am I the only one who can see this?

[andrea]

No Takeshi, im with you on this one.

[andrea]

I made my feelings clear on the existence of "Z", i didnt think he existed then and i dont think he exists now, though i hope im wrong i really do.

I would have nicked the photo from ewn smiths office, not an honest thing to do but hey ho, it would have blown the prosecution apart as you said.

Why doesnt "z" simply hand the ones he has to the telegraph or similar? he could remain anonymous.

[andrea]

anonymous, annonymous, how the f@@k do i spell it!! its getting late.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

If even ONE photograph of Sheila on the bed exists, Jeremy Bamber is innocent. End of. Simple as that. Not because that means he didn't do it but it would mean the police had staged the crime scene and therefore his conviction is unsafe.

[mertol22]

The picture would open a fresh question, how on earth did Sheila end up on the floor with a rifile close by ? who the hell put her there, her new location is not a crime scene, the 2nd and fatal shot is hard to explain, any firearms team marksman would not have fired at Sheilas neck .

[mike tesko]

The picture would open a fresh question, how on earth did Sheila end up on the floor with a rifile close by ? who the hell put her there, her new location is not a crime scene, the 2nd and fatal shot is hard to explain, any firearms team marksman would not have fired at Sheilas neck .

Bingo...

Firearms officers did not fire second fatal shot, according to informant, and photograph shown to me that has Sheila on bed, wounded only once....

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Do not get distracted by this supposed "second gunshot". It does not matter. If there is an official police photo of Sheila on the bed then Jeremy is technically "not guilty" and his conviction is unsafe. This does not mean he is actually innocent, just that the police mishandled things so badly that they did not prove "guilt beyond a shadow of a doubt".

[mike tesko]

I made my feelings clear on the existence of "Z", i didnt think he existed then and i dont think he exists now, though i hope im wrong i really do.

I would have nicked the photo from ewn smiths office, not an honest thing to do but hey ho, it would have blown the prosecution apart as you said.

Why doesnt "z" simply hand the ones he has to the telegraph or similar? he could remain anonymous.

Why don't we wait to see what stance, or approach CCRC takes, before anyone questions the existence of 'Z'?

Let's see it in writing, what CCRC has got to do with the arrest?

[andrea]

But mike, if "z" has developed feelings of guilt and shame over his part in the case and wants to put things right, why hasnt he done as i suggested? why wait/ this is what i cant get my head around.

JB keeps getting these knock backs from the CCRC yet Z chooses to wait and wait. he could give those pictures to a newspaper with a covering letter and he could remain (that word i cant spell)!!

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Why don't you just offer your testimony as a witness Mike? Is it because your credibility is reduced because of your past involvement with the police? 

[mertol22]

its very clear that something is going on , in their last findings on refusal to refer to an appeal was the best part of a 90 page reply, makes you wonder now what they are trying to say, if they are aware of this photo , they have one hell of a problem now.And that is not Jeremys problem is it, its theirs.

[grahameb]

I think z should stop his whining and winging about his fellow officers and do something useful for a change. His first port of call should not have been Mike. It should have been Jeremy's defence team. That would immediately take it out of the hands of the police and also the CCRC. It would in fact be to use Hartley's word, Dynamite. Come on then mr z cough up and prove yourself.

[Janet (Formerly known as Takeshi)]

Hartley I think I agree with what you are trying to say. If the Commission know of the existence of such a photo or indeed have been shown it as part of their investigation, then they would have to refer to the COP but can you also see the point that I am making? All such a photo would prove is that Essex police made a big f**k up of the investigation. It does not prove JB innocent but it would make his conviction unsafe therefore *justify* his release.