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chochokeira

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« Reply #855 on: November 11, 2011, 12:55:AM »
Actually one of my closest friends died of cancer Sunday so I needed some company


I'm sorry to hear that, Jackie, poor you, poor friend too.

Right, I'm off to bed, night everyone.

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« Reply #856 on: November 11, 2011, 12:55:AM »
nite nite Keira........sleep well x

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« Reply #857 on: November 11, 2011, 12:57:AM »
Sleep well, Choch. xx.

andrea

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« Reply #858 on: November 11, 2011, 12:58:AM »
Jack your gorgeous boy must be pissed off with you, he wants to get his bone home and youre on here!!

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« Reply #859 on: November 11, 2011, 01:00:AM »
Jack your gorgeous boy must be pissed off with you, he wants to get his bone home and youre on here!!

Oh Andy!! This is why we all love yoU!!

jackiepreece

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« Reply #860 on: November 11, 2011, 01:02:AM »
He is a musician and he is playing his guitar and all I need is a cuddle right now and he's cool with it.

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« Reply #861 on: November 11, 2011, 01:04:AM »
Well, i couldnt have a beatiful boy next to me and not do him, what a waste :)

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« Reply #862 on: November 11, 2011, 01:26:AM »
SBJ/1 is a silencer and was logged on the 13th August. According to the list Mike has posted, there is not an earlier silencer logged.

This is grossly misleading, since police records confirm that DS 'Stan` Jones, took possession of several exhibits from the scene on 7th. August 1985, namely, SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2 and on that basis one can draw a positive inference that the original silencer was found and retained by DS Jones, on the same occasion (7th August) otherwise, SBJ/2 would have been DS Jones first exhibit, and so on and so forth...

Additionally...

DCI `Taff` Jones , and DS `Stan` Jones, went to speak to Jeremy about whether or not the silencer was fitted to the guns barrel?

They went to speak to Jeremy, about this on afternoon of 9th August, so police knew about the silencer the day before the purported find of it the next day - the point being, why would police be mentioning the silencer matter to Jeremy on the day before relatives purport to find it?

Police still had keys to whf, so why were police so interested in a silencer, at that time, when police still had the keys...

Police must have seen the silencer before they went to see Jeremy that day, for them to be taking such an interest in the silencer...

Matters are not helped , by DS `Stan Jones ridiculous claim, concerning his astonishment upon finding out from Robert Boutflour, on 12 th August, that a silencer had been found, which caused DS Jones to scurry off to allegedly collect it from Peter Eaton that same evening? How could DS Jones be so astonished, considering that only a few days previosly, he and DCI Jones, had been questioning Jeremy about it?

« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 03:30:AM by mike tesko »
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jackiepreece

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« Reply #863 on: November 11, 2011, 01:33:AM »
I am not going to do anymore campaigning for JB I have totally given up he never appreciated it anyway

tyler

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« Reply #864 on: November 11, 2011, 01:41:AM »
I am not going to do anymore campaigning for JB I have totally given up he never appreciated it anyway

Why makes you think he doesn't appreciate it? Has something happened?


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« Reply #865 on: November 11, 2011, 01:47:AM »
Z has identified true identity of gun which had red paint on it from aga in the kitchen . . .
Are you allowed to divulge what gun it was?

Also, did you find out anything more as to (a) exactly where Sheila was when first seen apparently lifeless, and (b) whether Sheila spoke at all to the police called to WHF? If not, please ask your informant.

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« Reply #866 on: November 11, 2011, 02:49:AM »
Z has identified true identity of gun which had red paint on it from aga in the kitchen . . .
Are you allowed to divulge what gun it was?

Also, did you find out anything more as to (a) exactly where Sheila was when first seen apparently lifeless, and (b) whether Sheila spoke at all to the police called to WHF? If not, please ask your informant.

Yes,  I am allowed to divulge the identity of the guns barrel, and my informant has confirmed to me that Sheila's body was first spotted through the kitchen window by one of the officers who saw her body through a doorway adjacent to the window, in a room known as the pantry. Sheila's body was isolated from her fathers, in that they were not in the same room as each other...

Back to divulging the identity of the rifles barrel which was found to have paint on it, there is something which needs to be explained regarding why it has been difficult for someone who is/was not in the know regarding its identity and any significance which the police attached to it from a very early stage. For example, the following guns were known to have been found in the following locations at the scene:-

(1) 12 bore shotgun - downstairs in gun cupboard

(2) Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle - downstairs in toilet

(3) Anshulz rifle - upstairs resting against bedroom window. but ended up on body as part of stage managing by police

(4) .22 air rifle - upstairs in bedroom, but moved to bottom of small stairs in corner of kitchen as part of stage managing by police...

Based on this information, it was an almost impossible task for any outsider to try and reconstruct to which rifles barrel was DC Hammersley referring to when he spoke to COLP in 1991, and told them why a paint sample had been taken from the aga surround in the kitchen at whf on 8th August 1985. Since, according to my informant, the relevant piece of guns barrel upon which the red paint from the aga was found, belonged to a rifle found upstairs, but the component part (Metal end cap which screws onto the barrel of the rifle) was actually found downstairs...

This crucial piece of the guns barrel (metal cap contaminated with paint from the aga surround) was found on the kitchen floor. Police originally came to the conclusion that a small mark which was present on the kitchen surround had been made when the rifles barrel (metal end cap) had been fitted to the end of the anshulz rifles barrel, and it had come into contact with the surround at some time or other, and not necessarily during any struggle between Ralph and his killer. Nevertheless, it is now clear that the guns metal end cap which screws onto the end of the barrel of the anshulz rifle was the cause of the original mark found on the aga surround, not any silencer, and that a paint sample (RC/1) was taken and used to confirm this to have been the case...

Informant told me that other marks on aga were made later, at which stage silencers got contaminated with paint from the same place...

Hope this helps...
« Last Edit: November 11, 2011, 03:27:AM by mike tesko »
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« Reply #867 on: November 11, 2011, 03:33:AM »
SBJ/1 is a silencer and was logged on the 13th August. According to the list Mike has posted, there is not an earlier silencer logged.

This is grossly misleading, since police records confirm that DS 'Stan` Jones, took possession of several exhibits from the scene on 7th. August 1985, namely, SBJ/4, SBJ/3 and SBJ/2 and on that basis one can draw a positive inference that the original silencer was found and retained by DS Jones, on the same occasion (7th August) otherwise, SBJ/2 would have been DS Jones first exhibit, and so on and so forth...

Additionally...

DCI `Taff` Jones , and DS `Stan` Jones, went to speak to Jeremy about whether or not the silencer was fitted to the guns barrel?

They went to speak to Jeremy, about this on afternoon of 9th August, so police knew about the silencer the day before the purported find of it the next day - the point being, why would police be mentioning the silencer matter to Jeremy on the day before relatives purport to find it?

Police still had keys to whf, so why were police so interested in a silencer, at that time, when police still had the keys...

Police must have seen the silencer before they went to see Jeremy that day, for them to be taking such an interest in the silencer...

Matters are not helped , by DS `Stan Jones ridiculous claim, concerning his astonishment upon finding out from Robert Boutflour, on 12 th August, that a silencer had been found, which caused DS Jones to scurry off to allegedly collect it from Peter Eaton that same evening? How could DS Jones be so astonished, considering that only a few days previosly, he and DCI Jones, had been questioning Jeremy about it?

Plus...

we all know there should have been two identical looking silencers kept at whf at the material time, one belonging to Anthony Pargeter, and the other to Ralph Bamber, one normally kept in the downstairs toilet, and the other one kept in the gun cupboard. Now for some reason, nobody wants to talk about Pargeters silencer, its as though they don't want it to exist?
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #868 on: November 11, 2011, 03:37:AM »
So...

if relatives only found one silencer, the one in the gun cupboard, that silencer had to be Ralph bambers silencer, because the gun cupboard was the normal place where it was kept...

On the other hand...

Anthony Pargeters silencer, where was that, and what the hell happened to it?

Why aren't the police bothered abiout its apparent absence from the scene?

Why aren't relatives questioning what happened to it, like they questioned everything else

"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #869 on: November 11, 2011, 03:41:AM »
Funny...

How as part of the COLP (1991) inquiry, the two principle silencers in this case, (Pargeters and Bambers silencers),were sent for testing by COLP. Both had a universal fitting that allows for either silencer to be fitted to other weapons, such as a .22 air rifle like the one previously owned by Anthony Pargeter, that he gave to Jeremy...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...