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Offline grahameb

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #720 on: November 08, 2011, 02:49:PM »
'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...



Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.



IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.
they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

'Z' showed me a photograph of Sheila on the bed when there was only one wound present there - if you were to look at this photograph and take out the upper entry wound and accompanying trail of blood and fingermarks from it, and also the horizontal type blood trail from the lower wound (which is an overlay from the blood from the upper entry wound, you would be left with the lower entry wound, and a vertical trail of dried blood running from the lower entry wound - this is as close to what I saw regarding blood flow from the lower wound in the photograph which 'Z' showed to me the other day:-

There was no rifle barrel against the neck in the photograph 'Z' showed me...


Mike, the air rifle was not left at whf.....it was given to me.....by the police themselves!  Therefore, I do believe it was not used..........and they had hold of that rifle along time before I got hold of it.

Funnt then...

Why police should seize it along with 12 bore shotgun and fingerprint it, and find fingerprints on both whIch police became Interested in? The .22 air rifle was eventually found by relatives at bottom of small stairs in kitchen, within a very short distance of Ralph` body, and on the route Sheila took to get upstairs. There is even a belief that the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw leaning against the bedroom window before armed police went in, could have been the air rifle which was used to inflict the first shot...



Mike: What does 'Funnt then......' mean?  I have no idea.

Regarding the rifle, I do not understand how, 'Z' can say that the Police KNEW the air rifle was used......that they knew from the beginning.  My point is, if the Police KNEW this, then why would they hand it to me.  They had it in their possesssion for a few years before they delivered it to me. 

Why did they not 'lose' it?   Instead, they handed it to me personally, in the full knowledge that one day this rifle could be used at a later date should their be any discrepencies in the case.

Also, 'Z' stated (I believe), that relatives/whf held the rifle.  That in fact is incorrect information.

You know these facts already......upon all the info I have,  this does not add up.

FIrst of all...

Pollice handed over one of the two principle silencers in this case over to the relatives, so it does not necessarily follow that if it was used the police would not hand it over...

Secondly...

Relatives took possessIon of the .22 Air rifle from the scene on 10th August, they kept it until afternoon of 12th August. At which point Jeremy went to see the Eatons, demanding its return. The relatives handed Jeremy it back, along with the 12 bore shotgun. If relatives had got the silencer by that stage they would have given it back, also...

Air rifle was used, in the same way one of the two principle silencers was used, and handed back...
Mike, this does not add up. You said that the relatives handed the air rifle back to Jeremy. But Cd's said that the police handed it to Cd's? How did the police get it again?

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« Reply #721 on: November 08, 2011, 03:09:PM »
Smiffy.   I have absolutely nothing to worry about.  I am 100% certain Jeremy's team are working very hard with the evidence before them.  I only asked the question of Mike because he is not a legal professional and thought if I was in his position I would want my friend to have the very best advice possible with regards ALL the evidence available, no matter where it came from or who had it in their loft.  I have nothing against Mike whatsoever.

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« Reply #722 on: November 08, 2011, 03:10:PM »
Zorro, has been found out now and is wanting. I personally do not believe this at all.
Too much infomation out the to hoodwink the forum.
Why are you trying this Mike? It is laughable.
Meeting someone in a wood is a bit rich, but you took some nice pictures. You will never find someone to cough up.
I do not doubt your motives, but you need to give us some credit.
I do wonder though how many people were taken in. Forget this Mike and put Zorro to bed with Ali Bongo it has run it's course.

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« Reply #723 on: November 08, 2011, 03:18:PM »
I would be astonished if the moderator fitted the air rifle. I have not seen a air rifle with a screw end to accomodate a silencer, though I admit this could exist

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #724 on: November 08, 2011, 03:26:PM »
Mike, may I respectfully ask when you intend to post the statements of Cook, Davidson and Bird.

Thankyou.
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #725 on: November 08, 2011, 03:43:PM »
Zorro, has been found out now and is wanting. I personally do not believe this at all.
Too much infomation out the to hoodwink the forum.
Why are you trying this Mike? It is laughable.
Meeting someone in a wood is a bit rich, but you took some nice pictures. You will never find someone to cough up.
I do not doubt your motives, but you need to give us some credit.
I do wonder though how many people were taken in. Forget this Mike and put Zorro to bed with Ali Bongo it has run it's course.

You should be careful what you are saying, you might end up with egg on your face,  'Z' not only exists, we have met twIce and I have been shown three photographs, as previously described, and I have been given valuable information. You nor anyone else have demonstrated to me that `Z` has it wrong about the use of the air rifle in the shooting of Sheila, until you can produce evidence to suggest otherwise, you might like to consider taking a step back and thinking about what you've been saying ...

Long live `Z`...
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #726 on: November 08, 2011, 04:10:PM »
Zorro, has been found out now and is wanting. I personally do not believe this at all.
Too much infomation out the to hoodwink the forum.
Why are you trying this Mike? It is laughable.
Meeting someone in a wood is a bit rich, but you took some nice pictures. You will never find someone to cough up.
I do not doubt your motives, but you need to give us some credit.
I do wonder though how many people were taken in. Forget this Mike and put Zorro to bed with Ali Bongo it has run it's course.

You should be careful what you are saying, you might end up with egg on your face,  'Z' not only exists, we have met twIce and I have been shown three photographs, as previously described, and I have been given valuable information. You nor anyone else have demonstrated to me that `Z` has it wrong about the use of the air rifle in the shooting of Sheila, until you can produce evidence to suggest otherwise, you might like to consider taking a step back and thinking about what you've been saying ...

Long live `Z`...
Thing is Mike we are batting for the same team, but I am not a Patsy that believes everything you come out with.
Mike are you sure that the moderator is compatable with a 22 air rifle I can assure you they are not.
I do not need to step back, because I believe JB is innocent, but your latest posts are not credible.
I have to say I do not think Zorro exist. Sorry but I have been duped before. Once bitten ect.

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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #727 on: November 08, 2011, 04:36:PM »
'Z' s account of what police found once they got into the kitchen

Two bodies, neither checked properly to see if still alive, it turns out Sheila was not shot at all, but that there was blood on the floor beside where her body was laying. Police now know that she was faking being dead, but in their haste to search the farmhouse and look for all the other potential victims, they left Sheila's body in the kitchen unsupervised...

This mistake...

led to further complications later when Sheila got upstairs and shot herself by use of a rifle with a silencer fitted to its barrel, this other rifle was the .22 air rifle, not the .22semi-automatic anshulz rifle, police believe that Sheila gathered up this air rifle at the bottom of the stairs in the kitchen, and that she took it upstairs with her to the bedroom. Sheila was shot with use of the .22 air rifle in the side of the neck at a time when a silencer was fitted to the end of its barrel, this is what 'Z' told me...



Mike, I believe the evidence or tale being submitted by 'Z' is incorrect regarding the air rifle.



IF the police KNEW Sheila used the .22 air rifle, then why would they not dispose it?  Instead - without it being cleaned - the Police handed the gun over to me upon Jeremy's imprisonment.
they must be more stupid than i thought

Police handed whf over to the relatives, which if we are to believe what we have been told, contained the silencer, the .22 air rifle and all the other weapons and ammunitions, part of which was used in the shootings, at least in the case of the silencer and the .22 air rifle, and a 12 bore shotgun, and not forgetting Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle, if it was there or not?

'Z' showed me a photograph of Sheila on the bed when there was only one wound present there - if you were to look at this photograph and take out the upper entry wound and accompanying trail of blood and fingermarks from it, and also the horizontal type blood trail from the lower wound (which is an overlay from the blood from the upper entry wound, you would be left with the lower entry wound, and a vertical trail of dried blood running from the lower entry wound - this is as close to what I saw regarding blood flow from the lower wound in the photograph which 'Z' showed to me the other day:-

There was no rifle barrel against the neck in the photograph 'Z' showed me...


Mike, the air rifle was not left at whf.....it was given to me.....by the police themselves!  Therefore, I do believe it was not used..........and they had hold of that rifle along time before I got hold of it.

Funnt then...

Why police should seize it along with 12 bore shotgun and fingerprint it, and find fingerprints on both whIch police became Interested in? The .22 air rifle was eventually found by relatives at bottom of small stairs in kitchen, within a very short distance of Ralph` body, and on the route Sheila took to get upstairs. There is even a belief that the rifle which WPC Jeapes saw leaning against the bedroom window before armed police went in, could have been the air rifle which was used to inflict the first shot...



Mike: What does 'Funnt then......' mean?  I have no idea.

Regarding the rifle, I do not understand how, 'Z' can say that the Police KNEW the air rifle was used......that they knew from the beginning.  My point is, if the Police KNEW this, then why would they hand it to me.  They had it in their possesssion for a few years before they delivered it to me. 

Why did they not 'lose' it?   Instead, they handed it to me personally, in the full knowledge that one day this rifle could be used at a later date should their be any discrepencies in the case.

Also, 'Z' stated (I believe), that relatives/whf held the rifle.  That in fact is incorrect information.

You know these facts already......upon all the info I have,  this does not add up.

FIrst of all...

Pollice handed over one of the two principle silencers in this case over to the relatives, so it does not necessarily follow that if it was used the police would not hand it over...

Secondly...

Relatives took possessIon of the .22 Air rifle from the scene on 10th August, they kept it until afternoon of 12th August. At which point Jeremy went to see the Eatons, demanding its return. The relatives handed Jeremy it back, along with the 12 bore shotgun. If relatives had got the silencer by that stage they would have given it back, also...

Air rifle was used, in the same way one of the two principle silencers was used, and handed back...
Mike, this does not add up. You said that the relatives handed the air rifle back to Jeremy. But Cd's said that the police handed it to Cd's? How did the police get it again?

Simple enough explanation...

(1) Air rifle at scene with silencer fitted to its barrel, and used to shoot Sheila

(2) Police cover up involved DS `Stan` Jones taking silencer off air rifle and putting the silencer back in the gun cupboard, and in its place he took the other silencer belonging to Anthony Pargeter which was kept in the downstairs toilet, into his possession

(3) Police left air rifle, and silencer which was attached at the time Sheila was shot at the scene, so that when polIce handed keys over to Ann Eaton on evening of 9th August, air rifle and silencer, were effectively handed over insitu by the police to the relatives

(4) Air rifle was recovered by Ann Eaton from the small spiral staircase in the corner of tHe kitchen

(5) Silencer remained in gun cupboard where DS Jones had put it, and was not found by the relatives until after Jeremy had been arrested on the first occasion in early September...

(6) Relatives took air rifle home and kept it there until Jeremy asked for it back on afternoon on 12th August

(7) Jeremy retained possess of air rile, untiil time of his next arrest, at which point police took possession of it from hios cottage with the co-operation of his relatives

(8) Police also took possession of a 12 bore shotgun which was being va$ued at Sotherbys, both were finger printed

(9) After trial police want to return air rifle to Jeremy who ios convicted and serving life imprisonment, prison refuse to keep air rife in prison property store, so Jeremy m$akles arrangement for police to hand it over to person I
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« Last Edit: November 08, 2011, 04:51:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: you should all know this?
« Reply #728 on: November 08, 2011, 04:55:PM »
Maybe it is because the only is air  weapons I have owned have never had a screw end to accomadate a silencer, I have had Webley, and BSA, and probably a few in between. Non have had a facillaty for a silencer.
I am not trying to score points here Mike. but the readers need to be aware.
Maybe NGB can enlighten us.

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« Reply #729 on: November 08, 2011, 04:59:PM »
Zorro, has been found out now and is wanting. I personally do not believe this at all.
Too much infomation out the to hoodwink the forum.
Why are you trying this Mike? It is laughable.
Meeting someone in a wood is a bit rich, but you took some nice pictures. You will never find someone to cough up.
I do not doubt your motives, but you need to give us some credit.
I do wonder though how many people were taken in. Forget this Mike and put Zorro to bed with Ali Bongo it has run it's course.

You should be careful what you are saying, you might end up with egg on your face,  'Z' not only exists, we have met twIce and I have been shown three photographs, as previously described, and I have been given valuable information. You nor anyone else have demonstrated to me that `Z` has it wrong about the use of the air rifle in the shooting of Sheila, until you can produce evidence to suggest otherwise, you might like to consider taking a step back and thinking about what you've been saying ...

Long live `Z`...
Thing is Mike we are batting for the same team, but I am not a Patsy that believes everything you come out with.
Mike are you sure that the moderator is compatable with a 22 air rifle I can assure you they are not.
I do not need to step back, because I believe JB is innocent, but your latest posts are not credible.
I have to say I do not think Zorro exist. Sorry but I have been duped before. Once bitten ect.

Why have you invented the name, `Zoro`?

If anybody is responsible for any invention in this matter, you would do well to look no further than yourself, in this instance...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #730 on: November 08, 2011, 05:04:PM »
I used Zorro because he was the masked crusader. Nothing more.
What have I ever invented Mike?
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« Reply #731 on: November 08, 2011, 05:12:PM »
I used Zorro because he was the masked crusader. Nothing more.
What have I ever invented Mike?

The name `Zoro` and attributed that name to my informant, trying to turn 'Z` into something she or he is most definitely not...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #732 on: November 08, 2011, 05:24:PM »
I used Zorro because he was the masked crusader. Nothing more.
What have I ever invented Mike?

The name `Zoro` and attributed that name to my informant, trying to turn 'Z` into something she or he is most definitely not...
Mike you need to get into your nut. I have no desire to argue with you. I told you we are on the same side, but I am not going to let you take the piss.
Unlike you Mike I am inventing nothing, and I truley believe you are doing harm. Perhaps you need to step back and consider what you are saying.
I do not think that anyone believes you at the moment, but I accept that I could be wildly wrong.

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« Reply #733 on: November 08, 2011, 05:48:PM »
I used Zorro because he was the masked crusader. Nothing more.
What have I ever invented Mike?

The name `Zoro` and attributed that name to my informant, trying to turn 'Z` into something she or he is most definitely not...
Mike you need to get into your nut. I have no desire to argue with you. I told you we are on the same side, but I am not going to let you take the piss.
Unlike you Mike I am inventing nothing, and I truley believe you are doing harm. Perhaps you need to step back and consider what you are saying.
I do not think that anyone believes you at the moment, but I accept that I could be wildly wrong.

You believe what you believe, and leave me to know what I know, you are taking the piss out of yourself, nobody needs to do it for you...

Have you got any idea what happened to the original piece of fragmented pellet from the air rifle  that was the original PV/20?

I doubt it...

Do you know where the substituted bullet (PV/20) originated from?

I doubt it...

But.  `Z` does...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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« Reply #734 on: November 08, 2011, 05:51:PM »
I used Zorro because he was the masked crusader. Nothing more.
What have I ever invented Mike?

The name `Zoro` and attributed that name to my informant, trying to turn 'Z` into something she or he is most definitely not...
Mike you need to get into your nut. I have no desire to argue with you. I told you we are on the same side, but I am not going to let you take the piss.
Unlike you Mike I am inventing nothing, and I truley believe you are doing harm. Perhaps you need to step back and consider what you are saying.
I do not think that anyone believes you at the moment, but I accept that I could be wildly wrong.

You believe what you believe, and leave me to know what I know, you are taking the piss out of yourself, nobody needs to do it for you...

Have you got any idea what happened to the original piece of fragmented pellet from the air rifle  that was the original PV/20?

I doubt it...

Do you know where the substituted bullet (PV/20) originated from?

I doubt it...

But.  `Z` does...
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